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« Reply #60 on: August 18, 2021, 10:05:04 PM »

The Afghan Army did fight for their country and at least 60,000 of them died in the process. Many troops hadn't been paid for 6 or 9 months. Many weren't receiving appropriate rations of food. Many brave soldiers still tried to hold their positions even as their senior officers fled or surrendered.

I don't think it's fair to suggest the Afghans lacked the will to fight.

They lacked resources, support and morale, but many many did fight
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The following is the war in Afghanistan through numbers collected by Harvard University and Brown University.
Number of casualties in Afghanistan:
2,448 US troops,
3,846 US contractors,
66,000 Afghan government troops and police,
1,144 allied troops from NATO and many other countries,
47,245 Afghan civilians,
51,191 Taliban fighters and other opposition forces,
444 rescue workers,
72 journalists.
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« Reply #61 on: August 19, 2021, 02:56:19 AM »

This unmitigated disaster is on this administration. Yes there are 20 years of issues across multiple administrations and party lines but the way this was handled in this moment is not on them. Iím sick over the plight of the Afghan people but Iím livid over how our people were left. How interpreters were left. How the Bagram Air Base was shut down before getting people out. Reports of not helping Americans and others stuck outside Kabul. How this has all gone down. This is a bleeping clown show with so many lives at stake and far reaching, long lasting consequences.

I really have to disagree here - Biden was in a no-win situation and itís a miracle that no lives were lost.

JMO - thereís plenty of blame to go around.


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« Reply #62 on: August 19, 2021, 04:00:49 PM »

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Afghanistan: Taliban takeover Ďcould extend war on terror by a decadeí
ĎThe US pulled out of Bagram Air Base in the middle of the night. And literally didnít tell their Afghan colleagues and fellow soldiers what they were doing,í webinar hears.
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« Reply #63 on: August 19, 2021, 06:36:27 PM »

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Afghanistan: Taliban takeover Ďcould extend war on terror by a decadeí
ĎThe US pulled out of Bagram Air Base in the middle of the night. And literally didnít tell their Afghan colleagues and fellow soldiers what they were doing,í webinar hears.
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Just a decade when we (as well as other countries) were there for 20 almost years already and we were never able to eradicate them in the first place? I (unfortunately) think that's a gross understatement. It's probably going to be much longer than that. It's going to take all citizens to uprise and revolt against the taliban to get rid of them and it seems as though everyone is not in that mind state, they're trying to save themselves by escaping or going into hiding. They're in flight mode not fight thanks to all of this being so sudden. I'm sure soon we'll hear of citizens being forced to fight on behalf of the taliban, that type of corruption in your brain takes years of undoing- if ever so the taliban is probably going to grow and grow stronger. Anyways, as everyone agrees, this is such a sad situation and no one in the end will win for a long time sadly.
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« Reply #64 on: August 19, 2021, 07:28:22 PM »

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Joe's loses his grip on reality: President claims 'no one is being killed' in the Kabul airport chaos despite 12 confirmed deaths and says he can't 'recall' if he was told to keep 2,500 troops in Afghanistan

    President Joe Biden insisted his military advisers did not tell him to keep a U.S. troop presence in Afghanistan
    'No one said that to me that I can recall,' he told ABC News in his first interview since the Taliban take over
    He said his top brass did not argue that all troops would be pulled from Afghanistan 'in a time frame'  
    There were multiple warnings, however, and The Wall Street Journal reported this week that Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley wanted to keep 2,500 U.S. troops in Afghanistan
    He also insisted 'no one is being killed' in the chaos surrounding the Kabul airport despite 12 confirmed deaths
    Biden also said in the interview that he would have withdrawn troops from even without Donald Trump's deal Ė in a stark reversal of blaming the situation on his predecessor
     This was the first time Biden faced questions from media over his disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan
    Biden chose former Bill Clinton aide Stephanopoulos for the interview and hasn't taken questions from other members of the media for nine days
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« Reply #65 on: August 19, 2021, 08:12:17 PM »

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Taliban on hunt for western collaborators, says secret UN report
People told to surrender or risk having their relatives killed


The Taliban are hunting for people who worked for or collaborated with Nato and American forces and are threatening to kill or harm their relatives if they do not surrender, according to a confidential UN threat assessment document.

The document, which circulated in Kabul today, warned that Taliban fighters were going house to house looking for those included on prepared list of names, while also conducting searches among the crowds gathered at Kabul airport waiting to be evacuated.
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« Reply #66 on: August 19, 2021, 08:14:19 PM »

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Afghan resistance leader appeals to West for weapons and help
The leader of the Afghan resistance movement has appealed to the West for weapons and aid, as protesters took the streets in several cities today, raising the national flag in defiance of the Taliban takeover.

Ahmad Massoud, head of the National Resistance Front of Afghanistan, issued a call to arms from the Panjshir Valley, north of Kabul, where hundreds of militia fighters and Afghan soldiers have fled to make a last stand against the Taliban.
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« Reply #67 on: August 19, 2021, 08:39:53 PM »

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Joe's loses his grip on reality: President claims 'no one is being killed' in the Kabul airport chaos despite 12 confirmed deaths and says he can't 'recall' if he was told to keep 2,500 troops in Afghanistan

    President Joe Biden insisted his military advisers did not tell him to keep a U.S. troop presence in Afghanistan
    'No one said that to me that I can recall,' he told ABC News in his first interview since the Taliban take over
    He said his top brass did not argue that all troops would be pulled from Afghanistan 'in a time frame'  
    There were multiple warnings, however, and The Wall Street Journal reported this week that Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley wanted to keep 2,500 U.S. troops in Afghanistan
    He also insisted 'no one is being killed' in the chaos surrounding the Kabul airport despite 12 confirmed deaths
    Biden also said in the interview that he would have withdrawn troops from even without Donald Trump's deal Ė in a stark reversal of blaming the situation on his predecessor
     This was the first time Biden faced questions from media over his disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan
    Biden chose former Bill Clinton aide Stephanopoulos for the interview and hasn't taken questions from other members of the media for nine days
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Afghan resistance leader appeals to West for weapons and help
The leader of the Afghan resistance movement has appealed to the West for weapons and aid, as protesters took the streets in several cities today, raising the national flag in defiance of the Taliban takeover.

Ahmad Massoud, head of the National Resistance Front of Afghanistan, issued a call to arms from the Panjshir Valley, north of Kabul, where hundreds of militia fighters and Afghan soldiers have fled to make a last stand against the Taliban.
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It's heart-breaking and also hopeful that some people are resisting so bravely. But what chances do they have ?
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« Reply #68 on: August 19, 2021, 09:54:53 PM »

The Taliban is confiscating guns from the Afghans. When not jumping on kids' trampolines or riding dodgem cars, they are trying on night vision goggles and military gear they confiscated from the Afghan army or that which the US and their allies left behind.  The Taliban has deep pockets and alliances with Pakistan and China. They know the mountainous terrain like the back of their hands.  The  Resistance's best bet is probably a political solution but there is little incentive for the Taliban to negotiate: they are in a position of strength.  Is there anything the Taliban want that they cannot buy for themselves? Legitimacy?
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« Reply #69 on: August 20, 2021, 07:05:56 AM »

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Biden administration was warned LAST MONTH by US diplomats in Kabul of impending Taliban 'catastrophe' if troops withdrew and urged the evacuation of ALL Americans beginning August 1

    23 diplomats wrote a memo to Antony Blinken with warnings on July 13
    Cable warned of the Taliban's advancing threat and collapse of Afghan forces
    Also suggested State Department should take a tougher stance on the Taliban
    The memo also suggested ways to speed up evacuations from Afghanistan  
    Is the latest in a list of reported warnings the Biden administration potentially ignored as American forces left
    Reports damning evidence that the Biden administration was warned by its own officials of the impending disaster


State Department officials in the Kabul embassy told the Biden administration last month that the Afghan capital would fall and to speed up evacuations, a new report claims.

A dozen diplomats sent a confidential memo in a dissent channel to Secretary of State Anthony Blinken on July 13 that the Taliban was rapidly gaining ground and the city was vulnerable to collapse, the Wall Street Journal reported.
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Afghan security forces were collapsing, they said, and offered ways to mitigate the advancing insurgents.
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The State Department memo, ... urged them to start collecting information for Afghan allies who qualified for Special Immigrant Visas after working with US forces.
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The memo urged the administration to start flights evacuating people out of the country no later than August 1st.

A former CIA counter-terrorism chief also advised the president's campaign Kabul would crumble within days with a depleted American presence.  

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 describing the state of understanding at the CIA written by Douglas London, the agency's former counter-terrorism chief for south and south-west Asia, which offered a very different assessment.

He said the rapid collapse was one of a number of possible scenarios.

'Ultimately, it was assessed, Afghan forces might capitulate under the circumstances we witnessed, in projections highlighted to Trump officials and future Biden officials alike,' he wrote on the Just Security website.
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London, who also served as a volunteer adviser to the Biden campaign after leaving the CIA in 2019, scoffed at the president's claim that events in Afghanistan unfolded more rapidly than expected.

'Thatís misleading at best,' he said. 'The CIA anticipated it as a possible scenario.'
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« Reply #70 on: August 20, 2021, 07:33:37 AM »

The Taliban is confiscating guns from the Afghans. When not jumping on kids' trampolines or riding dodgem cars, they are trying on night vision goggles and military gear they confiscated from the Afghan army or that which the US and their allies left behind.  The Taliban has deep pockets and alliances with Pakistan and China. They know the mountainous terrain like the back of their hands.  The  Resistance's best bet is probably a political solution but there is little incentive for the Taliban to negotiate: they are in a position of strength.  Is there anything the Taliban want that they cannot buy for themselves? Legitimacy?

you've answered your own quesiton: if you are in a position of strength, that gives you legitimacy

they don't need anyone. who they need they have.


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« Reply #71 on: August 20, 2021, 07:41:43 AM »

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Biometric collection and identification devices were seized last week during the Talibanís offensive.

The Taliban have seized U.S. military biometrics devices that could aid in the identification of Afghans who assisted coalition forces, current and former military officials have told The Intercept.

The devices, known as HIIDE, for Handheld Interagency Identity Detection Equipment, were seized last week during the Talibanís offensive, according to a Joint Special Operations Command official and three former U.S. military personnel, all of whom worried that sensitive data they contain could be used by the Taliban. HIIDE devices contain identifying biometric data such as iris scans and fingerprints, as well as biographical information, and are used to access large centralized databases. Itís unclear how much of the U.S. militaryís biometric database on the Afghan population has been compromised.
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« Reply #72 on: August 20, 2021, 08:08:21 AM »

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Biometric collection and identification devices were seized last week during the Talibanís offensive.

The Taliban have seized U.S. military biometrics devices that could aid in the identification of Afghans who assisted coalition forces, current and former military officials have told The Intercept.

The devices, known as HIIDE, for Handheld Interagency Identity Detection Equipment, were seized last week during the Talibanís offensive, according to a Joint Special Operations Command official and three former U.S. military personnel, all of whom worried that sensitive data they contain could be used by the Taliban. HIIDE devices contain identifying biometric data such as iris scans and fingerprints, as well as biographical information, and are used to access large centralized databases. Itís unclear how much of the U.S. militaryís biometric database on the Afghan population has been compromised.
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that is one scary article chandra Dead

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« Reply #73 on: August 20, 2021, 01:31:12 PM »

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Biometric collection and identification devices were seized last week during the Talibanís offensive.

The Taliban have seized U.S. military biometrics devices that could aid in the identification of Afghans who assisted coalition forces, current and former military officials have told The Intercept.

The devices, known as HIIDE, for Handheld Interagency Identity Detection Equipment, were seized last week during the Talibanís offensive, according to a Joint Special Operations Command official and three former U.S. military personnel, all of whom worried that sensitive data they contain could be used by the Taliban. HIIDE devices contain identifying biometric data such as iris scans and fingerprints, as well as biographical information, and are used to access large centralized databases. Itís unclear how much of the U.S. militaryís biometric database on the Afghan population has been compromised.
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The bleakness continues with increasing revelations. From India:

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Gravitas: These American weapons are now in Taliban's hands
The Joe Biden Administration has left behind $20 billion military hardware on a platter for the Taliban. American Choppers, Humvees, Jets & rifles are now in the Taliban's hands. Palki Sharma tells you how this is another proof of Biden's unmitigated disaster.
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« Reply #74 on: August 20, 2021, 06:04:53 PM »

$20 billion military hardware left for the Taliban but State Department planned to charge evacuees $2000 for the cost of their transport:
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The president said on Wednesday that he believes 15,000 American citizens remain in Afghanistan, and that there are 50-65,000 Afghans the U.S. would like to help leave.
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On Thursday Ned Price, the State Department spokesman, said that they expect 6,000 people to be evacuated on U.S. flights overnight.

And he was forced to announce a reversal of plans to charge $2,000 per evacuee for the flight, after a social media outcry.

On Thursday morning, Politico reported on the State Department's Overseas Security Advisory Council, which stated in an August 14 advisory: 'U.S. lawful permanent residents may submit a repatriation assistance request, and their request will be considered depending on availability.

'Repatriation flights are not free, and passengers will be required to sign a promissory loan agreement and may not be eligible to renew their U.S. passports until the loan is repaid.

'The cost may be $2,000 USD or more per person.'

An unnamed State Department spokesman initially stood by the charge, telling Politico that 'U.S. law requires that evacuation assistance to private U.S. citizens or third country nationals be provided 'on a reimbursable basis to the maximum extent practicable.'

Price, however, backtracked by Thursday evening.

'In these unique circumstances, we have no intention of seeking any reimbursement from those fleeing Afghanistan,' he said, in a statement provided to The New York Post.

Jake Sullivan, the National Security Adviser, on Thursday said the president believes U.S. forces will be able to get all Americans who want to leave Afghanistan out of the country by Biden's self-imposed deadline of August 31.
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'We have plenty more seats on flights than we believe that there are possibly Americans still in Afghanistan, and there is plenty of time to get to the airport,' Sullivan said.  
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Foreign nationals and Afghans who may be able to leave cannot get to the airport because the Taliban controls everything except the airport:

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NATO begs Biden NOT to leave Kabul: Transatlantic alliance says US should stay at airport to get people out - as American forces are accused of hiding behind wire while Brits and Europeans mount rescue missions into city
    US should extend its Aug. 31 deadline to get more people out, said NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg
   NATO chief added that the difficulty was not so much transport out of the airport but getting people to it
   British, French and German elite forces have been speeding into Kabul in armored convoys to rescue people
   Meanwhile, American soldiers appear to be under strict orders not to leave the airport
   Republican lawmaker Newt Gingrich said this was 'humiliating' for US troops and called Biden 'timid'
   Women and children were trampled in stampedes at the airport today as the chaos continues
   A German civilian was also shot on the way to the airport, is receiving treatment and will be flown out 'soon'
    Kaisa Markhus, a Norwegian who returned from Kabul today, said she saw babies passed to the troops
   The children 'must have been handed over to soldiers by their desperate mothers,' she told MailOnline
   Biden, who will speak later today, faces mounting fury across the world for abandoning Afghans to their fate
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Kaisa Markhus, 30, a Norwegian national who returned from Kabul to Oslo today, told MailOnline that she saw babies being carried by soldiers after being passed over barbed wire by their desperate mothers.

'There were crying children, who had become separated from their parents and at least three babies who must have been handed over to soldiers by their desperate mothers,' said Kaisa.

'Once on the plane, we waited on the tarmac for hours for people to get through. But eventually we had to take off. I just had a feeling of sadness because the flight was so empty.'  
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British SAS troops are now being sent outside the airport perimeter to find and extract those who are trapped, but it is almost certain the 'small teams' will not be able to reach everyone who needs help in time.  

And Germany said it has flown special forces helicopters into the country in the hopes that they can fly rescue missions to retrieve German citizens and others who are trapped in Kabul and bring them to the airport.
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