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[luvcharles]

Please don't refer to Catherine as Princess Catherine. By doing so you are saying that Charles, Andrew or Edward are her father and thus she has either married her half-brother or first cousin. It is disrespectful to those three men to suggest that they fathered her and an insult to Michael and Carole Middleton as you are suggesting that Michael Middleton isn't her father and that Carole cheated on her husband. So much is tied up in getting a person's name correct.

I don't understand why you want to also refer to her by a lower title than the one she is entitled to - that is also insulting to her.

Princess (other than Princess of Wales or Princess Royal) is a STYLE and not even a TITLE. It is insulting to Catherine to refer to her by a mere style rather than a title.

She is The Princess of Wales and (other than when in Cornwall. Chester or Scotland) it is insulting to use any reference to her by a lower style.

The ranking of titles/styles in the UK:

King
Queen
Prince of Wales
Princess of Wales
Princess Royal
Duke
Duchess
Marquis
Marchioness
Earl
Countess
Viscount
Viscountess
Baron
Baroness
Prince/Princess
Sir/Dame

I know Disney implies that Princess own name is a high rank but in the UK it is the second lowest of the titles/styles with only those who are only knights lower.

By calling her Princess Catherine you are saying she isn't a peeress but a commoner so taking her from the right level in society she holds by virtue of her marriage to a peer to being a mere commoner. It is insulting to both Catherine and to William.

[Paulina]

I'm happy to see her wearing the brooch today and at a high profile event. I wonder if she'll choose to wear it as a necklace pendant like her late mother-in-law did? As far as I can recall, Camilla only wore it as a brooch.

How strange if Camilla has publicly worn a brooch that was Diana’s engagement present -  Anyone recall the occasions?

It is thought it was returned to Charles and/or TRF after Diana’s death. Camilla wore it first in 2006 per this link below.

Info and pics here
https://royalwatcherblog....of-wales-feathers-brooch/

Wow - it was a personal gift so I think it was tin-eared for Camilla to wear it.

I agree, Hes.

Where did all the other baubles go? Taken apart? In the vaults?

Those jewels are beautiful and I’d love to see that necklace on Camilla or Kate. Has that necklace been seen at all? Ever?

[Aubiette]

Please don't refer to Catherine as Princess Catherine. By doing so you are saying that Charles, Andrew or Edward are her father and thus she has either married her half-brother or first cousin. It is disrespectful to those three men to suggest that they fathered her and an insult to Michael and Carole Middleton as you are suggesting that Michael Middleton isn't her father and that Carole cheated on her husband. So much is tied up in getting a person's name correct.

I don't understand why you want to also refer to her by a lower title than the one she is entitled to - that is also insulting to her.

Princess (other than Princess of Wales or Princess Royal) is a STYLE and not even a TITLE. It is insulting to Catherine to refer to her by a mere style rather than a title.

She is The Princess of Wales and (other than when in Cornwall. Chester or Scotland) it is insulting to use any reference to her by a lower style.

The ranking of titles/styles in the UK:

King
Queen
Prince of Wales
Princess of Wales
Princess Royal
Duke
Duchess
Marquis
Marchioness
Earl
Countess
Viscount
Viscountess
Baron
Baroness
Prince/Princess
Sir/Dame

I know Disney implies that Princess own name is a high rank but in the UK it is the second lowest of the titles/styles with only those who are only knights lower.

By calling her Princess Catherine you are saying she isn't a peeress but a commoner so taking her from the right level in society she holds by virtue of her marriage to a peer to being a mere commoner. It is insulting to both Catherine and to William.

You know what, nevermind.

[PeDe]

I'm happy to see her wearing the brooch today and at a high profile event. I wonder if she'll choose to wear it as a necklace pendant like her late mother-in-law did? As far as I can recall, Camilla only wore it as a brooch.

How strange if Camilla has publicly worn a brooch that was Diana’s engagement present -  Anyone recall the occasions?

It is thought it was returned to Charles and/or TRF after Diana’s death. Camilla wore it first in 2006 per this link below.

Info and pics here
https://royalwatcherblog....of-wales-feathers-brooch/

Wow - it was a personal gift so I think it was tin-eared for Camilla to wear it.

I agree, Hes.

Where did all the other baubles go? Taken apart? In the vaults?

The Dagmar Necklace is/was still in use, HLM wore it occasionally (usually without the cross pendant). http://queensjewelvault.b.../the-dagmar-necklace.html

Regarding the Prince of Wales feather's brooch, IIRC there were three that were very similar in appearance, two particularly so. There was some confusion which Camilla wore. I'm very busy right now with work, but will do a deep dive later to see if I'm just remembering incorrectly.

Thank you, karma   

 

[emtishell]

I'm happy to see her wearing the brooch today and at a high profile event. I wonder if she'll choose to wear it as a necklace pendant like her late mother-in-law did? As far as I can recall, Camilla only wore it as a brooch.

How strange if Camilla has publicly worn a brooch that was Diana’s engagement present -  Anyone recall the occasions?

It is thought it was returned to Charles and/or TRF after Diana’s death. Camilla wore it first in 2006 per this link below.

Info and pics here
https://royalwatcherblog....of-wales-feathers-brooch/

Wow - it was a personal gift so I think it was tin-eared for Camilla to wear it.

I agree, Hes.

Where did all the other baubles go? Taken apart? In the vaults?

Those jewels are beautiful and I’d love to see that necklace on Camilla or Kate. Has that necklace been seen at all? Ever?

Yes it has, check the link on Karma's post. It's a rather awkward thing to wear with modern styles.

[fairy]

Nobody has the intention to imply that Carole cheated on her husband with the then Prince of Wales. And nobody wants to degrade Catherine's position. Referring to her by " Princess Kate" is incorrect but it is isn't a slur, it is simply more convenient. And tbh it is more respectful than just calling her Kate, which I do and will continue to do, because it is far shorter and easier to type.
I have always appreciated your vast knowledge on all things title and procedure and I have duly noted the difference in Catherine, princess of... and Princess Kate, but I think, we should now let it slide..

[Maria]

Nobody has the intention to imply that Carole cheated on her husband with the then Prince of Wales. And nobody wants to degrade Catherine's position. Referring to her by " Princess Kate" is incorrect but it is isn't a slur, it is simply more convenient. And tbh it is more respectful than just calling her Kate, which I do and will continue to do, because it is far shorter and easier to type.
I have always appreciated your vast knowledge on all things title and procedure and I have duly noted the difference in Catherine, princess of... and Princess Kate, but I think, we should now let it slide..

Anything is better than Kate Middleton, I feel..

[fairy]

Which is the name on her birth certificate...and one she had for 30 years, so it is pretty much her identity.
I'd say anything but Waity Katie...

[Diogenes]

Please don't refer to Catherine as Princess Catherine. By doing so you are saying that Charles, Andrew or Edward are her father and thus she has either married her half-brother or first cousin. It is disrespectful to those three men to suggest that they fathered her and an insult to Michael and Carole Middleton as you are suggesting that Michael Middleton isn't her father and that Carole cheated on her husband. So much is tied up in getting a person's name correct.

I don't understand why you want to also refer to her by a lower title than the one she is entitled to - that is also insulting to her.

Princess (other than Princess of Wales or Princess Royal) is a STYLE and not even a TITLE. It is insulting to Catherine to refer to her by a mere style rather than a title.

She is The Princess of Wales and (other than when in Cornwall. Chester or Scotland) it is insulting to use any reference to her by a lower style.

The ranking of titles/styles in the UK:

King
Queen
Prince of Wales
Princess of Wales
Princess Royal
Duke
Duchess
Marquis
Marchioness
Earl
Countess
Viscount
Viscountess
Baron
Baroness
Prince/Princess
Sir/Dame

I know Disney implies that Princess own name is a high rank but in the UK it is the second lowest of the titles/styles with only those who are only knights lower.

By calling her Princess Catherine you are saying she isn't a peeress but a commoner so taking her from the right level in society she holds by virtue of her marriage to a peer to being a mere commoner. It is insulting to both Catherine and to William.

You know what, nevermind.

 

[SvenskaSarah]

I'm happy to see her wearing the brooch today and at a high profile event. I wonder if she'll choose to wear it as a necklace pendant like her late mother-in-law did? As far as I can recall, Camilla only wore it as a brooch.

How strange if Camilla has publicly worn a brooch that was Diana’s engagement present -  Anyone recall the occasions?

It is thought it was returned to Charles and/or TRF after Diana’s death. Camilla wore it first in 2006 per this link below.

Info and pics here
https://royalwatcherblog....of-wales-feathers-brooch/

Wow - it was a personal gift so I think it was tin-eared for Camilla to wear it.

I agree, Hes.

Where did all the other baubles go? Taken apart? In the vaults?

Those jewels are beautiful and I’d love to see that necklace on Camilla or Kate. Has that necklace been seen at all? Ever?

Yes it has, check the link on Karma's post. It's a rather awkward thing to wear with modern styles.

It is peculiar how the necklace looks dainty in the photograph yet cumbersome on a person! I think this necklace would suit Kate actually, and minus the crucifix pendant would work well with the Lover's Knot tiara. I think if the person wearing it wore a plain dress with a high neckline (like Kate's dress last week but without the cape and jewels) it could allow for the necklace to shine. Similarly, Camilla rocks big jewels well, so I could see her wearing the necklace well, but its dainty appearance on photographs seems more akin to Kate's preferred style of jewellery.

[Lady Liebe]

Nobody has the intention to imply that Carole cheated on her husband with the then Prince of Wales. And nobody wants to degrade Catherine's position. Referring to her by " Princess Kate" is incorrect but it is isn't a slur, it is simply more convenient. And tbh it is more respectful than just calling her Kate, which I do and will continue to do, because it is far shorter and easier to type.
I have always appreciated your vast knowledge on all things title and procedure and I have duly noted the difference in Catherine, princess of... and Princess Kate, but I think, we should now let it slide..

Yes. That's exactly why I use Kate, Will, Charles, Cams etc.

[Pomme]

or Chutters, Chompers, Chuck and Cams 

[Princess MS]

or Chutters, Chompers, Chuck and Cams 

Frankly in this space I don't see the relevance. Her MIL was styled Princess Diana ..... no she was not the daughter of a Prince who could pass a title down but I think we all can appreciate the difference.

Being a big researcher of royalty is clearly important to LC and we appreciate the benefit of that

[Curtains]

Never mind. I’ll continue with Kate, Wills, Charles & Camilla. I know my own intentions when using these names and it’s not nefarious.

[Zazoo]

Both Diana and Kate while married to their respective husbands hold the title “The princess of Wales”, Diana divorce meant that her title change Diana, Princess of Wales which translate that she was one of the wifes of the prince of Wales, had Charles divorced Camila and remarried both she and Diana would hold the same title.
The same can be for the males, who according to the current status quo are the actual holders of the title.
Arthur, Prince of Wales, was the eldest son of King Henry VII of England and Elizabeth of York. He died before he succede his father and thus is remembered as another prince of Wales, had Charles met the same fate would have also be remembered as such.
Monarchies are archaic institutions full of rules, they might pretend that they are modern and what not but to the core are the same. So I agree with LC that we are royal watchers if we don’t know the “rules” then what’s the point. And at the same time I side eye hard the media with these cheep clip bates