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« Reply #870 on: April 21, 2022, 05:10:34 PM »

I don't get why these titles and estates can't go to the eldest child like as the case for most royalty. It would make less of a headache for these families who are always trying to not let the title die out.
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« Reply #871 on: April 21, 2022, 06:57:30 PM »

But then it wouldn't perpetuate the 'girls don't matter except for one thing' tradition. Tradition is all.
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« Reply #872 on: April 21, 2022, 09:33:02 PM »

It also has to do with the family name.  "Not fair" is a lousy argument.  Just abolish all property ownership --problem solved!
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« Reply #873 on: April 21, 2022, 10:05:06 PM »

It also has to do with the family name.  "Not fair" is a lousy argument.  Just abolish all property ownership --problem solved!

Aristocrat families easily had five to seven children, sometimes more. If everyone had had his share out of the estate, there would have been nothing left of the big house. Therefore it made sense to pass everything to one lucky boy, the girls (if beautiful) had to see that they are getting married well.

I have a total passion for old houses and I found one on holiday - totally overgrown, burned down - their problem was that three heirs stayed in WW1 and they could not pay for inheritance tax, so everything fell apart.

It was a system with a lot of loosers - the pressure on the girls to marry well, then to give birth to at very least one heir, then throw all the functions in the countryhouse (hunting, balls) and during the season .... The pressure on the men to marry within their social class, produce at very least one heir and keep the estate financially afloat.
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« Reply #874 on: April 22, 2022, 10:03:27 AM »

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The pattern was to be repeated more or less exactly by the current Earl and his bride. The waif-like former model went through three pregnancies in four years (the second resulted in girl twins) to give him the son he needed, although she was far from well. Her humiliations at his hands were less gynaecological than psychological. The court was told how the day she emerged from a five-month stay in a rehabilitation clinic he taunted her with tales of his lovers. Once at a party he regaled the assembled company with how his father had told him to stick with his wife through thick and thin. As Charles waggishly pointed out, anyone present who looked at her would agree that "she was thin, and certainly thick".
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« Reply #875 on: April 22, 2022, 10:10:27 AM »

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The pattern was to be repeated more or less exactly by the current Earl and his bride. The waif-like former model went through three pregnancies in four years (the second resulted in girl twins) to give him the son he needed, although she was far from well. Her humiliations at his hands were less gynaecological than psychological. The court was told how the day she emerged from a five-month stay in a rehabilitation clinic he taunted her with tales of his lovers. Once at a party he regaled the assembled company with how his father had told him to stick with his wife through thick and thin. As Charles waggishly pointed out, anyone present who looked at her would agree that "she was thin, and certainly thick".

I often wonder if he was a hellish boor of a brother too.
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« Reply #876 on: April 22, 2022, 10:38:00 AM »

Certainly hes a hypocrite with a bad temper.
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« Reply #877 on: April 22, 2022, 03:00:35 PM »

How can 2 girls in their, twenties?, look like jaded 40-something trophy wives who are much too fond of liquid lunches.

they look like two bit hookers who got left behind after the party finished and everyone went home without them. Crap

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« Reply #878 on: April 22, 2022, 03:05:54 PM »

Certainly hes a hypocrite with a bad temper.

didn't diana have a falling out with him?

IIRC she wanted to stay on the estate (?) and he said yes, then no...

i think it was after this that they fell out.

and I've read that he made that mauselum on the grounds to make amends...but the cynic in me says it was for money

anyone else remeber that story?

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« Reply #879 on: April 22, 2022, 05:01:48 PM »

Yes, but Diana had a complicated relationship with nearly all her siblings, her mom, her step-mom ... so I would not use that against him. I think they had problems I think he denied Diana to stay there, but in fairness, she got a good settlement - if you are in personal trouble the last thing you want in the house is your troubled sister and an armada of journalists on your doorstep every day.

I agree - after she had died, he totally cashed in with having her buried there. Which was a clever move: she was neither close to her mom nor to her dad, she surely did not want to be buried with the Windsors, so it helped them out as well. But I always found it incredibly sad to have her buried alone on an island - and I am not convinced - I think she might have been buried secretly at a different, more sacred place and kept that secret. But that is just my own conspiracy theorie  .

I think he was totally overhwelmed with his own problems, his fast growing family and without a good example for being an responsible family man he turned into a really mean guy - at least for a while. I think he found more balance later in life but there is a decade he must have been the husband from hell. I feel sorry for his first four kids ...
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« Reply #880 on: April 22, 2022, 06:20:13 PM »

I agree Miss Marple, it's always bothered me, her buried isolated on that island.  I sincerly hope she is actually buried somewhere else.

I met him in Dallas at a party.  He was very charming, very attentive to the attractive young women and Harry looks just like him!  It was amazing the resemblence, it doesn't show up in photos but from profile they could be twins.
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« Reply #881 on: April 22, 2022, 09:24:17 PM »

Some of my students met him in front of the casino in Monte Carlo - they admired his car and had no idea who he was  . He was very approachable and nice.

I think in fairness owning an estate like Althrop can be a total nightmare. It has nearly 30 protected buildings and you need to heat it in winter, pay for renovations and keep a certain body of staff to have it looking good. I can see that having Diana there solved his financial problems and he seems to be able to focus on other issues.

I think he got married too young, pressured with all the expecations "an heir", "find money for the estate", .... still no excuse how he behaved towards his first family, but some people turn into monsters if they are pressured too hard. I feel sorry for his daughters - they are beautiful, but they look sad, artificial and they will have to marry well to maintain that lifestyle.

Also his son - imagine inheriting the estate and the Diana craze will be over one day ... so he has to find another way to make money.
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« Reply #882 on: April 23, 2022, 12:14:30 AM »

Eliza and Amelia attended the world premiere of WMF Perfection in Munich



Do they practice posing so their feet line up perfectly like that?  Or is there an awkward moment on the red carpet when they tell the photographer to wait while they are sliding their feet around until they line up?   Thinking
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« Reply #883 on: April 23, 2022, 04:41:36 AM »

does it take a lot of brains to be vacuus like this,?

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« Reply #884 on: April 23, 2022, 06:50:18 AM »

one word: vacuous. Both of them. Nobody's home behind those dead eyes.
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