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« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2014, 08:35:13 PM »

Is Duchess Elisabeth the one with the teeth?
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« Reply #31 on: October 19, 2014, 08:39:41 PM »

Is Duchess Elisabeth the one with the teeth?

Yes. 

Although, I'd say it's more like, "she's the one with the gums".  Girlfriend has the gummiest smile I've ever seen.  It's really unfortunate.
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« Reply #32 on: October 20, 2014, 02:22:59 PM »

Is Duchess Elisabeth the one with the teeth?

Yes. 

Although, I'd say it's more like, "she's the one with the gums".  Girlfriend has the gummiest smile I've ever seen.  It's really unfortunate.

If I remember it correct, others of her family (sisters, parents) have the same. But Elisabeth has the gummiest one of all.
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« Reply #33 on: July 17, 2015, 12:39:24 AM »

It's a boy! - Hereditary Prince Hubertus and Hereditary Princess Kelly of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha welcomed their second child, Philipp Hubertus Andreas Christian, 7/15, a brother for Katharina Victoria Elizabeth Cheryl (born 2014).

http://royalcorrespondent...th-to-a-healthy-baby-boy/

Finally, a Coburg prince/heir/future head of house with unclouded hereditary rights. Bye, Alexander Afif (about which there is a big p*ssing match thread on the ERMB).
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« Reply #34 on: July 17, 2015, 04:49:32 AM »

Happy news for them. (BTW, have always--for some reason--been amused by the idea of "Princess Kelly" Tongue)
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« Reply #35 on: July 17, 2015, 05:38:06 AM »

Congratulations to them! That was fast after their first baby. Smiley
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« Reply #36 on: July 17, 2015, 11:19:27 AM »

Congratulations!

They are going fast on the child front!
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« Reply #37 on: July 17, 2015, 06:29:58 PM »

Good for them.  They're older, and it seems like it took them a while to get pregnant with the first baby.  I'm glad they were able to add to their family. 
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« Reply #38 on: July 21, 2015, 10:13:34 PM »

 Champagne Congratulations to the little family.
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« Reply #39 on: July 22, 2015, 09:58:26 AM »

It's a boy! - Hereditary Prince Hubertus and Hereditary Princess Kelly of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha welcomed their second child, Philipp Hubertus Andreas Christian, 7/15, a brother for Katharina Victoria Elizabeth Cheryl (born 2014).

http://royalcorrespondent...th-to-a-healthy-baby-boy/

Finally, a Coburg prince/heir/future head of house with unclouded hereditary rights. Bye, Alexander Afif (about which there is a big p*ssing match thread on the ERMB).

Isn't that a different Saxony line? Alex de Afif is disputed by Prince Ruediger for the Margrave of Meissen title. This baby is just second in line to a throne the Windsors (when they went by their original name) used to have.

ETA: the only Gotha in the head of house dispute was a nephew who died a while ago, who claim then went to Afif.
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« Reply #40 on: July 22, 2015, 10:06:57 AM »

The House of Wettin is a dynasty of German counts, dukes, prince-electors and kings that once ruled territories of present-day German states of Saxony and Thuringia for 953 years.

The family divided into two ruling branches in 1485 by Treaty of Leipzig: the Ernestine and Albertine branches.

After wars etc. the Ernestine line was restricted to Thuringia and its dynastic unity swiftly crumbled, dividing into a number of small states, the Ernestine duchies.
- Saxe-Altenburg (1603 to 1672; 1826 to 1918)
- Saxe-Coburg (1596 to 1633; 1681 to 1699)
- Saxe-Coburg-Eisenach (1572 to 1596)
- Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld (1735 to 1826)
- Saxe-Eisenberg (1680 to 1707)
- Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (1826 to 1918)
- Saxe-Eisenach (1596 to 1638; 1640 to 1644; 1672 to 1806)
- Saxe-Gotha (1640 to 1680)
- Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg (1681 to 1826)
- Saxe-Hildburghausen (1680 to 1826)
- Saxe-Jena (1672 to 1690)
- Saxe-Marksuhl (1662 to 1672)
- Saxe-Meiningen (1681 to 1918)
- Saxe-Römhild (1680 to 1710)
- Saxe-Saalfeld (1680 to 1735)
- Saxe-Weimar (1572 to 1806)
- Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach (1806 to 1918)

It was only in the 19th century that one of the many Ernestine branches, the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, regained importance as the "stud of Europe", by ascending the thrones of Belgium (in 1831), Portugal (1853–1910), Bulgaria (1908–1946) and the United Kingdom (in 1901).

Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach, Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, Saxe-Meiningen, and Saxe-Altenburg were the remaining duchies at the formation of the Weimar republic. In 1991, the Altenburg line died out, leaving only three:
- Michael, Prince of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach, also senior agnate of the House of Wettin.
- Andreas, Prince of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha
- Konrad, Prince of Saxe-Meiningen


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« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2015, 10:20:00 AM »

The Albertine line became the Kings of Saxony.

The last king, Frederik August III, voluntarily abdicated as king on 13 November 1918, after the defeat of the German Empire in World War I.

The succession becomes "a problem" with the grandchildren and great grandchildren of Frederik August III, through his second son Friedrich Christian. Who became heir after the eldest son, Friedrich August, became a Jesuit priest.

Friedrich Christian married Princess Elisabeth Helene of Thurn and Taxis (1903–1976), they had five children:
- Maria Emanuel, Margrave of Meissen (1926–2012), married Princess Anastasia of Anhalt, without issue.
- Princess Maria Josepha of Saxony (born 1928), not married.
- Princess Anna of Saxony (1929–2012), married Roberto de Afif and had three sons.
- Albert, Margrave of Meissen (1934–2012), married Elmira Henke, without issue.
- Princess Mathilde of Saxony (born 1936), married and divorced Prince Johannes Heinrich of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, and had one (now deceased) son.

As you can see Mathilde reunited the Albertine and Ernestine branches of the Wettin family by marrying Johannes Heinrich of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. The had one son together: prince Johannes of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha

Mathilde's brothers did not have any children, and her elder sister Anna's issue with Roberto de Afif were deemed lower-born than the uncontested dynastic Prince Johannes. Because his maternal uncles were already middle-aged and childless, Johannes was groomed from his youth to become the heir of the Royal House of Saxony.

However, Johannes died at seventeen on 21 August 1987 in a climbing accident. The loss of Johannes was a devastating blow to his desolate parents. Due to the tragedy, it  left his mother's family without a clear dynastic, and eligible, heir, and also left his father without a direct male heir. After the death of Johannes Heinrich the heir to the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Koháry is the former King Simeon II of Bulgaria.

As mentioned Mathilde's elder sister Anna, was married to Roberto de Afif.

In May 1997, Anna's elder brother Maria Emanuel, who has upheld the dynasty's marital standards despite its deposition and exile, recognized her eldest son Alexander de Afif as his heir. By formally adopting him two years later, Maria Emanuel conferred upon Alexander the legal surname of "Prinz von Sachsen" (Prince of Saxony). Thus was created the family of Saxe-Gessaphe, a cognatic offshoot of the royal House of Wettin: With the approval of Maria Emanuel, Alexander, his sons and brothers are also known as Princes of Saxe-Gessaphe. In the spring of 1997, it was announced that the remaining dynasts of the Royal House of Saxony had met and consented to the designation of Alexander as dynastic heir in the event that none of them leave sons by dynastically valid marriages.
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« Reply #42 on: July 22, 2015, 11:12:11 AM »

At one time the Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld/ and Gotha married well and or were fortunate (in their carreer Wink)
(in 1825-1826 there was a rearrangement of the Ernestine duchies, Saxe-Coburg received Gotha, but had to cede Saalfeld to Saxe-Meiningen)


The British - Belgian link:

- Prince Leopold of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld (1790-1865) who married
1. The British heiress Princess Charlotte of Wales (1796-1817) (who died at giving birth to a stillborn son) 2.princess Louise of Orléans (1812-1850)  
He was offered the Greek throne but refused. Later on he accepted the Belgian throne, and became the first Belgian king. Until current time the Belgian royal family is descending from him, but because of the First World War, the family name was changed in 1921 to van België, de Belgique or von Belgien ("of Belgium") in the country's three official languages (Dutch, French and German).

- Princess Victoria of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld (1786-1861) who married
1. Charles, Prince of Leiningen (1763-1814)
2. Prince Edward, Duke of Kent and Strathearn (1767-1820) .
She was the mother of Queen Victoria of Great-Britain (1819-1901) by her 2nd marriage.

- Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (1819-1861) second son of Ernest III, Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld (Ernest I, Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha) and nephew of former mentioned Leopold and Victoria. As known Albert married his cousin Queen Victoria of Great-Britain. The current British Royal family descends from this couple and the family name was Saxe-Coburg and Gotha until 1917 when the name was changed and the royal house and family became known as Windsor
As Albert's older brother, Ernest II, Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha's marriage was childless the succession to the throne of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha passed to prince Alfred, the second son of Albert & Victoria (Edward, later king Edward VII, renounced his rights). Alfred's only son and heir prince Alfred shot himself (Scandal) and died eventually. The elder Alfred was succeeded as the Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha by his nephew, Prince Charles Edward, Duke of Albany, the posthumous son of his youngest brother, Prince Leopold, Duke of Albany because Alfred's next brother, The Duke of Connaught, and his son, Prince Arthur of Connaught, had renounced their succession rights to the Duchy of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha.


The Koháry link:

- Prince Ferdinand of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld (which changed into Saxe-Coburg and Gotha) (1785-1851) he was the older brother of Victoria and Leopold, born a second son. In Vienna on 30 November 1815, Ferdinand married (very) wealthy Hungarian heiress Princess Maria Antonia Koháry de Csábrág et Szitnya (1797-1862), daughter of Ferenc József, Fürst Koháry de Csábrág et Szitnya. When Antonia's father died in 1826, she inherited his estates in Hungary. Ferdinand then added the surname Koháry to his own.


The Portuguese link:

- Prince Ferdinand of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (-Koháry) (1816-1885) married
1. Maria II, Queen-regnant of Portugal (1819-1853)
2. Elisa Hensler, created Gräfin von Edla (1836-1929)
he was King of Portugal jure uxoris as husband of Queen Maria II from the birth of their son in 1837 to her death in 1853. In keeping with Portuguese law, only after the birth of his son in 1837 did he acquire the title of King. His reign came to end with the death of his wife in 1853, but he was regent for his son and successor, King Pedro V, to 1855. The last for kings of Portugal descend of Ferdinand and Maria.
The House of Braganza-Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (also known as the House of Coburg-Braganza)was a dynasty descended through a distaff line of the House of Braganza that ruled the Kingdom of Portugal from 1853 until the declaration of the republic in 1910.The designation Braganza-Saxe-Coburg and Gotha is prevalent mainly in the writings of non-Portuguese historians and genealogists. Nonetheless, the Portuguese constitution stated that the House of Braganza was the ruling house of Portugal, by way of Queen Maria II, and her descendants still continued to style themselves as members of the House of Braganza, as opposed to Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Braganza. As there are no living descendants left in Portugal, the claim to the crown of Portugal is again with the House of Braganza.


The Bulgarian link:

- Prince Ferdinand of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (Koháry) (1861-1948), a nephew of Ferdinand II of Portugal. He was a first cousin to Victoria, Albert, Charlotte (Belgium) and Leopold II (Belgium). Ferdinand, who was an officer in the Austro-Hungarian army was elected Knyaz of autonomous Bulgaria by its Grand National Assembly on 7 July 1887 in the Gregorian calendar. On 5 October 1908 (celebrated on 22 September), Ferdinand proclaimed Bulgaria's de jure independence from the Ottoman Empire (though the country had been basically independent since 1878). He also proclaimed Bulgaria a kingdom, and assumed the title of tsar. The current Bulgarian royal family and house (among others ex-king Simeon II) descend from this Ferdinand.

From Wikipedia:
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« Reply #43 on: November 27, 2015, 08:41:13 PM »

They recently christened Philip.  Interestingly, King Philippe of Belgium and Carina Axelsson were named as godparents. 

http://www.np-coburg.de/l...enberg%3Bart83423,4492219

The christening took place on November 14. 
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« Reply #44 on: November 27, 2015, 09:03:19 PM »

They recently christened Philip.  Interestingly, King Philippe of Belgium and Carina Axelsson were named as godparents. 

http://www.np-coburg.de/l...enberg%3Bart83423,4492219

The christening took place on November 14. 


GREAT find pixiekitteh  Thumb up Star 




From left to right, in the back row: HRH Prince Bernhard of Baden, IU Countess Alexandra von Sch?nborn, S.M. King Philippe of Belgium, Mrs Carinna Axelson, SD Prince Carl von Wrede



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