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« Reply #615 on: November 16, 2020, 06:27:00 PM »

Totally normal train journey



I really hate to see anyone having to grovel and submit to that pukable tyrant.  Ranting And that moron probably thinks these pics are a positive & glamorous PR ! 

Make way to the brave crop-top protesters !

I guess there is some segment of the Thai population that approves of this photo?  But if he is trying to quell the protests, this is the exact wrong way to do it. 
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« Reply #616 on: November 16, 2020, 06:29:55 PM »

Totally normal train journey



I really hate to see anyone having to grovel and submit to that pukable tyrant.  Ranting And that moron probably thinks these pics are a positive & glamorous PR ! 

Make way to the brave crop-top protesters !

I guess there is some segment of the Thai population that approves of this photo?  But if he is trying to quell the protests, this is the exact wrong way to do it. 

Considering how much train fares cost in the UK, this should be the minimum level of service I get when I travel to London
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« Reply #617 on: November 16, 2020, 06:32:24 PM »

Totally normal train journey



I really hate to see anyone having to grovel and submit to that pukable tyrant.  Ranting And that moron probably thinks these pics are a positive & glamorous PR ! 

Make way to the brave crop-top protesters !

I guess there is some segment of the Thai population that approves of this photo?  But if he is trying to quell the protests, this is the exact wrong way to do it. 

Considering how much train fares cost in the UK, this should be the minimum level of service I get when I travel to London

Well okay, but if you want the admirals in dress whites that will be extra.
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« Reply #618 on: November 16, 2020, 06:36:08 PM »

The crop topped awesome pro-democracy protesters just won't quit



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« Reply #619 on: November 17, 2020, 10:46:31 AM »

Totally normal train journey



Oh my.....there is so much wrong here........ Roll Eyes
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« Reply #620 on: November 17, 2020, 12:19:04 PM »

The crop topped awesome pro-democracy protesters just won't quit





I just love it.  Jumping
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« Reply #621 on: November 17, 2020, 04:41:40 PM »

The crop topped awesome pro-democracy protesters just won't quit





Yes! And I am here for it!
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« Reply #622 on: November 17, 2020, 07:29:06 PM »

Things are turning nasty in Thailand. Police are using rubber bullets, tear gas and water canon against the pro democracy protestors (while handing out free juice to the yellow shirted monarchists and turning a blind eye when they attack students with wooden batons). Inflatable ducks were used as shields in a particularly surreal moment





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« Reply #623 on: November 17, 2020, 09:01:07 PM »

Totally normal train journey



I really hate to see anyone having to grovel and submit to that pukable tyrant.  Ranting And that moron probably thinks these pics are a positive & glamorous PR ! 

Make way to the brave crop-top protesters !

I guess there is some segment of the Thai population that approves of this photo?  But if he is trying to quell the protests, this is the exact wrong way to do it. 

Considering how much train fares cost in the UK, this should be the minimum level of service I get when I travel to London
Well trains here used to offer this service pre-Corona: nowadays however people (for whatever reason!!) seem to prefer the seats to the lovely floor. I have to admit, that I also have my doubts, if your dress whites remain white after cosily lounging on the floor... Whistle
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« Reply #624 on: November 17, 2020, 09:42:58 PM »

I get that the kneeling is a culture thing, but it disgusts me that they have to kneel in front of the trainwreck that is Rama X.  Ranting

Also, why did they give the queen (and probably the king too) her own CUSHION for the train seats?  Ranting
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« Reply #625 on: November 17, 2020, 11:42:32 PM »

Things are turning nasty in Thailand. Police are using rubber bullets, tear gas and water canon against the pro democracy protestors (while handing out free juice to the yellow shirted monarchists and turning a blind eye when they attack students with wooden batons). Inflatable ducks were used as shields in a particularly surreal moment







Oh no!  My thoughts will be with the Thai people. They’ve suffered so much under this creature.
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« Reply #626 on: November 19, 2020, 11:41:23 AM »

The BBC published this last month and it's a really interesting read:



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"My father taught me that criticising our king was a sin. A taboo."

But Danai, 19, is now defying his father's warning. A law student in Bangkok, he is one of tens of thousands of protesters who have packed the streets of the Thai capital every month this summer, demanding reform of the monarchy.

His father Pakorn is a well-travelled, upper middle class man. His name and his son's name have been changed to protect their identity.

Although they don't live in the same house, they still see each other often. But every time they meet, they avoid speaking about one subject: the monarchy.

"If we talk about it we'll have a row and it will ruin our day," Danai says.

"Once we had an argument in our car after I criticised the king. For my father the king is untouchable. I asked, why? He said that I am too young to understand. He got very angry, then he went quiet and wouldn't speak to me."

Danai's family isn't alone. Disagreements like this over the role of an institution with sacrosanct status in Thailand is playing out in homes - in cities and in the countryside - around the country.

Falling out online

But families in Thailand don't just argue about the monarchy face-to-face, many decide to have it out on social media.

And things can get pretty extreme.

When a university student in the northern city of Chiang Mai revealed on Facebook in September that her father wanted to sue her because of her anti-monarchy views, he responded by posting that she was no longer allowed to use his family name.

Pakorn believes that university teachers are responsible for his son's behaviour.

"In Thai society there are groups of hard-core people who are anti-royalists. Also the internet and social media keep pouring out misleading information and fake news. Young people absorb quickly without filtering," he says.

Danai challenged his father about the monarchy for the first time when he was 17.

"We were at the cinema. Before the film started, when the royal anthem was played as usual, everyone stood up to pay respect to the king. I didn't want to do that, so I stayed in my seat. My father forced me to get up, but I resisted. Only when people started staring at us, did I finally stand."

Refusing to stand when the royal anthem was playing used to be illegal in Thailand, until the law was repealed in 2010. But failing to do so is still seen by many as disrespecting the monarchy.

Historic tradition

Thais are taught from birth to revere and love their king, but also to fear the consequences of speaking out against him. The so-called Land of Smiles is one of a very small number of countries with a lese majeste law. This means that criticising the king, the queen or the heir to the throne is illegal - and anyone doing so could be jailed for up to 15 years.

Today, Danai doesn't stand up in the cinema any more.

Since July, thousands of university students have taken to the streets, and have continued to do so despite a state of emergency in recent days and the arrest of many of the protest leaders.

They are demanding curbs on the king's nearly unlimited powers and finances. These requests may seem tame to people in other parts of the world, but in Thailand no one has publicly challenged the monarchy in modern history.

The student protests shocked most Thais - including Danai's father, Pakorn.

"I was born in the reign of King Rama IX. He did more for his people than for his own children. When he was ill, I was ready to leave this world if that could have made him live longer. But Generation Z, like my son, don't have that experience."

A new king

This clash of generations would have been unthinkable just a few years ago. But the crowning of the new monarch, King Maha Vajiralongkorn, changed everything.

The new king is rarely seen in public, and spends most of his time in Germany - even more so since Thailand was hit by the coronavirus pandemic.

There have been questions over his decision to take personal command of all military units based in Bangkok - a concentration of military power in royal hands unprecedented in modern Thailand.

His private life is also much talked about. Divorced three times, he married last year for a fourth time. He also appointed a woman who'd been his bodyguard as his official consort, before disowning and then reinstating her.

By contrast, the late King Rama IX was seen by many as semi-divine. Everywhere he went people would lie before him and call themselves "the dust under his feet".

Pakorn saw the late king in person twice.

"One time, I was in my car and I saw him driving by himself, coming in the opposite direction. There was no motorcade, no sirens. Our eyes met. I was shocked. I think he just wanted to do things like other people, easy and informal. I felt he had an aura around him, his presence was very special."

However during the last 10 years of Rama IX's life, he was ill and stayed in hospital most of the time.

Young Thais like Danai rarely saw him in public. Even so, when the king died Danai posted messages on Facebook showing his sadness and gratitude toward him.

He told the BBC he now regrets doing that.

"I've just realised that what I was told about him at the time or before that was all propaganda."

Questioning the past

Danai can't understand his father's feelings for the king.

"He is blinded by his love for the monarchy. Talking to him is like talking to a wall. He doesn't want to listen. For now, the only thing I want from my father is for him to be open-minded about this subject, as he normally is with any another issue."

Danai believes his mother is also a royalist but does not support the monarchy as much as his dad. She doesn't ever criticise the monarchy however - and she thinks the protests will fail.

"My mum thinks that reforming the monarchy is something out of reach and protesters can't make this happen," says Danai.

Pakorn says he does not know if getting older and wiser in the future will help his son get closer to him again, and put them back on the same track they both used to be on.

Danai is not sure either.

"It might be possible that I might change my mind about the institution. But I don't think it will happen because I will get older," he says.

"It depends on what happens in reality and the information I receive."

The souring of their relationship because of their opposing views on the king reflects a widening generational divide emblematic of Thai society.

Since the student protests started, families all over Thailand have become increasingly divided.

Parents and children, brothers and sisters, aunts and nephews are all becoming strangers.

A young generation of Thais is questioning the monarchy and everything it represents - and this is likely to be just the beginning of a long, internal struggle.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-54573831
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« Reply #627 on: November 19, 2020, 11:42:17 AM »

Another day of protests:





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« Reply #628 on: November 20, 2020, 01:44:37 AM »

Interesting that college professors are being blamed for the unrest. That’s happening here too in some cases.

All I can say is that it’s incredibly sad that families are being torn apart because of a mentally ill despot who would have them all shot and sleep like a baby. 
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« Reply #629 on: November 23, 2020, 06:21:44 PM »

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The German Parliament has said that Thailand's King Maha Vajiralongkorn enjoys diplomatic immunity during his extended stays in his Bavarian villa, but the state does have the power to expel him from the country.

According to an assessment by the Bundestag's academic services (WD), and commissioned by the socialist Left party, the German state has very little power to prosecute the Thai king, despite recent threats by Foreign Minister Heiko Maas.

Maas has previously warned Vajiralongkorn against ruling his country from Germany amid ongoing protests against what critics say is the king's undemocratic rule in Thailand. More than 50 people were injured in demonstrations in Bangkok this week alone.

"We have made clear that the policies that affect the country Thailand are not to be carried out from German soil," Maas said in early October.

But short of expelling the king from Germany as a "persona non grata," law enforcement has no way to prosecute the king, who represents Thailand even when he is on vacation, the Bundestag found. That means that, under diplomatic immunity, he cannot be punished for crimes committed in Germany or be put under surveillance.

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Vajiralongkorn spends months at a time in his villa by Lake Starnberg, just south of Munich, and in spring he frequently stayed in a luxury hotel in the ski resort of Garmisch-Partenkirchen, defying a ban on hotel stays in the state — at the time one of Bavaria's coronavirus lockdown measures.

The king returned to Thailand in October, but the Left party has called on the German government to ban him from reentering Germany. "Anyone who, like the king, brutally suppresses a democratic movement with a military junta, should not be rewarded with a visa for luxury extended stays in Germany," Left party parliamentarians Sevim Dagdelen and Heike Hänsel said in a joint statement.

Earlier in November, the German Foreign Ministry said it had found no evidence that the king was issuing decrees from Bavaria that were violating human rights — though opposition politicians found this less than credible, considering the length of the king's stays in Germany.

"The question of what the government was doing to counter such unlawful actions remains unanswered," Margarete Brause of the Green party said in a statement.

https://www.dw.com/en/tha...any-parliament/a-55690987
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