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« on: October 21, 2010, 05:56:23 PM »

Maria Ludovika Wilhelmine Prinzessin von Bayern (1808-1892) married  Herzog Max in Bayern(1808-1888).
This marriage was not a love match. Their fathers decided it. Ludovika was in love with Dom Miguel (the grand-grand-grand father of Guillaume of Luxemburg your new pin up boy  ). But he wasn´t good enough for her and they didn´t know that he had been later King of Portugal. Max said to her, he isn´t in love with her and will never be. So poor Ludovika must marry Max. Max had several children beside the marriage. According to Albert von Thurn und taxis not so pretty daughters.


Ludovika and Max had 10 children:

* Ludwig Wilhelm, Duke in Bavaria (1831–1920)
          o 1. Marriage: 1859 (morg.): Henriette von Wallersee (1833–1891)
          o 2. Marriage: 1892 (morg.), divorced 1913: Antonie von Bartolf (1871–1956)
   
* Wilhelm Karl (* 24. Dezember 1832; † 13. Februar 1833), Grave: Gruft in Schloss Tegernsee
   
* Helene Karoline Therese (1834–1890)
          o ∞ 1858: Maximilian Anton Lamoral, Erbprinz von Thurn und Taxis (1831–1867)

* Elisabeth Amalie Eugenie, Empress of Austria (1837–1898)
          o ∞ 1854: Franz Joseph (1830–1916), Emperor of Austria
   
* Carl Theodor, Duke of Bavaria (1839–1909), ophthalmologist
          o 1. Marriage: 1865: Sophie Marie von Sachsen (1845–1867)
          o 2. Marriage: 1874: Infantin Maria Josepha (José) de Portugal (1857–1943)
   
* Maria Sophie Amalie, Queen of Naples and the two Sicilies (1841–1925)
          o ∞ 1859: Franz II. (1836–1894), King of Naples and the two Sicilies
   
* Mathilde Ludovika, Countess of Trani (1843–1925)
          o ∞ 1861: Ludwig, Prince of Bourbon-Sizilien (1838–1886)
   
* Maximilian (*/† 8. Dezember 1845), Grave: Gruft in Schloss Tegernsee
   
* Sophie Charlotte Auguste , Duchesse d´Alençon -Orleans (1847–1897)
          o ∞ 1868: Ferdinand, duc d`Alençon-Orleans (1844–1910)
   
* Maximilian Emanuel, Duke in Bavaria (1849–1893)
          o ∞ 1875: Amalie, Princess of Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha (1848–1894)
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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2010, 05:56:57 PM »

Ludovika and Max by Stieler 1828



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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2010, 06:00:38 PM »

Ludovika









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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2010, 06:04:27 PM »

Max





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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2010, 06:12:00 PM »

The first son Ludwig Wilhelm



Ludwigs first wife, the actress Henriette von Wallersee, neé Mendel



Ludwigs second wife, the actress Antonie von Bartolf



Ludwigs only daughter (one son died early), the famous and scandalous Marie-Louise Gräfin von Larisch-Moennich (1858-1940)




Ludwig had to give up his rights as Duke in Bavaria, because he married an actress, so his little brother Carl Theodor get the title.
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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2010, 06:22:36 PM »

Wilhelm died as a baby  Sad


Helene Caroline (Nene, Lenza)





Her husband Erbprinz Max Anton von Thurn und Taxis, he died early because of a kidney disease (1831-1867)



The first daughter Louisa, later Princess of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen (1859–1948)



The second daughter Elisabeth, later Duchesse of Braganza, died early (1860–1881)



The first son Prince Maximilian Maria of Thurn und Taxis, died because of a heart disease (1862–1885)



The second son Prince Albert von Thurn und Taxis (1867–1952)




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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2010, 02:08:06 AM »

MWF,

According to Albert von Thurn und taxis not so pretty daughters.

is this the same TNT lineage who married Gloria (was that her name??) where she had those faboubous jewellery?? he was gay, they has three children?

if it is, the portrait of the woman in red, has that broach that Gloria wore on her wedding dress, that was later sold

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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2010, 02:15:01 AM »

Albert was the grandfather of Johannes, the husband of Gloria


Here Johannes, Albert and cousin Anselm.

I´m not sure if it is this brooche.

http://www.royal-magazin..../taxis-perlen-brosche.htm


Pearl and Diamond Devant de Corsage of the Princly House of Thurn und Taxis

Designed as a three pearl and diamond circuit clusters, each set with a large pearl within a border of cushion-shaped and brillian-cut diamonds arrounded by similarly cut diamond scrolled leaves, supporting five pearshaped pearl drops capped by rose diamonds on cushion-shaped diamond chains.

This devant de corsage was a wedding present from Fürst Albert von Thurn and Taxis to Fürstin Margarete in 1889.

The large pearls and diamond clusters largely resemble the four shoulder and bodice brooches made by Francois Kramer in 1853 for Empress Eugenie to match the tiara and devant de corsage by Lemonnier.

In the 1887 sale of the French Crown jewels the brooches went respectiviely to:Sir Ogden Goelet-the Bapst firm and than to Fa. Grub.


One is known to survive intact. The brooch is also similar to the bodice ornament in the pearl and diamond parure made by Garrard´s given as his principal wedding present by th Prince of Wales to his bride Alexandra Princess of Denmark in 1883.

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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2010, 02:19:26 AM »

It looks like the rubies are replaced with diamonds  Thinking
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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2010, 06:45:31 AM »

10 points for me for remembering Tongue Roll Eyes

And 20 for you for the photos Angel Thumb up

I beleive that brooch was sold Sad

I noticed it first, because it has fleur de lis on top of it...I am obsessed with fleur de lis at the moment Roll Eyes

Gawgeous, as my favourite charachter from Little Britain would say, Just Gawgeous

 Star tmw Yes Thumb up

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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2010, 08:12:09 PM »

Maria Ludovika Wilhelmine Prinzessin von Bayern (1808-1892) married  Herzog Max in Bayern(1808-1888).
This marriage was not a love match. Their fathers decided it. Ludovika was in love with Dom Miguel (the grand-grand-grand father of Guillaume of Luxemburg your new pin up boy  ). But he wasn´t good enough for her and they didn´t know that he had been later King of Portugal. Max said to her, he isn´t in love with her and will never be. So poor Ludovika must marry Max. Max had several children beside the marriage. According to Albert von Thurn und taxis not so pretty daughters.


Ludovika and Max had 10 children:

* Ludwig Wilhelm, Duke in Bavaria (1831–1920)
          o 1. Marriage: 1859 (morg.): Henriette von Wallersee (1833–1891)
          o 2. Marriage: 1892 (morg.), divorced 1913: Antonie von Bartolf (1871–1956)
   
* Wilhelm Karl (* 24. Dezember 1832; † 13. Februar 1833), Grave: Gruft in Schloss Tegernsee
   
* Helene Karoline Therese (1834–1890)
          o ∞ 1858: Maximilian Anton Lamoral, Erbprinz von Thurn und Taxis (1831–1867)

* Elisabeth Amalie Eugenie, Empress of Austria (1837–1898)
          o ∞ 1854: Franz Joseph (1830–1916), Emperor of Austria
   
* Carl Theodor, Duke of Bavaria (1839–1909), ophthalmologist
          o 1. Marriage: 1865: Sophie Marie von Sachsen (1845–1867)
          o 2. Marriage: 1874: Infantin Maria Josepha (José) de Portugal (1857–1943)
   
* Maria Sophie Amalie, Queen of Naples and the two Sicilies (1841–1925)
          o ∞ 1859: Franz II. (1836–1894), King of Naples and the two Sicilies
   
* Mathilde Ludovika, Countess of Trani (1843–1925)
          o ∞ 1861: Ludwig, Prince of Bourbon-Sizilien (1838–1886)
   
* Maximilian (*/† 8. Dezember 1845), Grave: Gruft in Schloss Tegernsee
   
* Sophie Charlotte Auguste , Duchesse d´Alençon -Orleans (1847–1897)
          o ∞ 1868: Ferdinand, duc d`Alençon-Orleans (1844–1910)
   
* Maximilian Emanuel, Duke in Bavaria (1849–1893)
          o ∞ 1875: Amalie, Princess of Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha (1848–1894)


my, my, that is the true meaning of "lie back and think of the England (or in this case Bavaria)"....

I would know, on my maternal side - not so long ago - we had an arranged/forced marriage. Not happy, not loving, and the outcome were three children. Well, I guess one has to fulfill one's wifely duties.  Dead

sad, sad, sad
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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2010, 09:19:28 PM »

Empress Elisabeth







Elisabeths husband Emperor Franz Joseph I.



First daughter Archduchesse Sophie (1855-1857)



Second daughter Archduchesse Gisela, later Princess of Bavaria (1856-1932)



First and only son Crown Prince Rudolph (1858-1889)



Last and favourite daughter of Sisi Archduchesse Marie Valerie (1868-1924)



(she reminds me a little bit of Charlotte Casiraghi)

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« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2010, 09:20:53 PM »


my, my, that is the true meaning of "lie back and think of the England (or in this case Bavaria)"....

I would know, on my maternal side - not so long ago - we had an arranged/forced marriage. Not happy, not loving, and the outcome were three children. Well, I guess one has to fulfill one's wifely duties.  Dead

sad, sad, sad

 Dead I believe it was Gloria TuT who was sad, that arranged marriages are not common anymore today.
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« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2010, 11:27:56 PM »

Carl Theodor



First wife Princess Sophie of Sachsen (1845-1867)



Second wife Infanta Marie José of Portugal (1857-1943)



Carls and Sophies only daughter and favourite grandchild of Ludovika Amalie Maria, later Duchess of Urach (1865-1912)



The children of the second marriage

Sophie Adelheid, later Countess of Toerring-Jettenbach (1875-1957)



Elisabeth Valérie, later Queen of Belgium (1876-1965)



Marie Gabrielle, later Princess of Bavaria (1878-1912)



Duke Ludwig Wilhelm in Bavaria (1884-1968)



Duke Franz Joseph in Bavaria (1888-1912)

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« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2010, 11:39:50 PM »

I will later put little bios in the thread. The family is very interesting!

Marie, Queen of Naples, heroine of Gaeta







The husband Francesco II. King of Naples (1836 - 1894)



The only daughter with Francesco, who died too early Maria Christina Pia (1869 - 1870)  Cry





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