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« Reply #150 on: December 16, 2011, 10:37:14 PM »

ANd I don't mind being called a sugar at all. It's perfectly OK with me. I much rather socialise with people like Jane and the like than hostility and abuse. I find it tiresome. I don't like Mary one iota, but I think it's good the so-called sugars have someone like me in their group who doesn't like Mary. Just call me Sugar Leesa; I don't mind.
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« Reply #151 on: December 16, 2011, 10:54:42 PM »

I spoke up in this thread because I was appalled by the vulgarity of DA's language and the degrading terms for women she used (I'm a feminist). I would have insulted people who live in trailer parks to call her language as trailer park trash. I don't know of any groups or environment where her language would be considered acceptable. She didn't need provocation to post a profanity-ridden message about Mary at the drop of a hat. It's extremely unpleasant to read and it cheapened the image of this board and anyone who posts here. That's the main reason why I spoke up. If there's an anti-Diana gang, no one invited me in.    

I also don't like the hostility she showed to anyone who dares to disagree with her and her general disruptive and divisive behaviors. We are all adults. We should be able to handle disagreements in a more mature way. It's not "either you're with me or against me." This is not a war, nor a compaign. Mary is a royal. She can't be voted out of office. But Diana seemed to take this as a campaign against her and anyone who disagreed with her as enemy. Plus, this is a board about royals, not any one member. But somehow, she divided the board not only into "Mary fan" and "Mary hater", she also divided it into "DA fan" and "DA hater". It's disruptive and divisive. This is not a board about Diana Again. If she wants, she can start a message board that only allows "Mary hater" and "DA fan" so the rest of us can dish royals in peace.

Since some people cited freedom of speech, I have to say something about it. I don't know about Australia or anywhere else, but even in the U.S., the 1st Amendment the the Constitutions only protects individuals from government censorship based on a certain elements. It doesn't prevent any private groups from setting codes of conduct. Nor does it protect individuals from being sued or prosecuted for harrasment, defamation, incitement of violence etc. There are many limits to freedom of speech. it is completely within the administrators' rights to set limits. She couldn't toe within those limits, she has the freedom to go somehwere else. The same rule applies to the rest of us.

And this is from someone who dislikes Mary. I don't like Mary's bogan and drama queen behaviors, just as I don't like DA's vulgarity and drama queen behaviors.  

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« Reply #152 on: December 16, 2011, 10:59:42 PM »

Great post, laprincess Star. Thank you for sharing that with the others!
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« Reply #153 on: December 16, 2011, 11:02:53 PM »

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Reminds me of a similar case in April  Whistle
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« Reply #154 on: December 16, 2011, 11:08:12 PM »

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What happened in April Miss W? Something here?
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« Reply #155 on: December 16, 2011, 11:35:08 PM »

For the record, DA never mentioned any specific posters esp Leesa as she knows I like Leesa. She did say she pushed the envelope because she felt threatened and was asked to change her approach. And look on that I have agreed with her.  I never agreed with all her posts but I just kept out of those posts.(I am not a fan of anyone attacking Leesa at the moment either). She also likes Maria and told me so.

As for Cloaked I do not believe a word she says and I hate her passive aggressive posts and I will call her up on them when I see it. I do not believe for one minute on who says she is and I am entitled to say that. I don't care that she likes Mary but it the softening of obvious Mary's flaws that exposes her for who she is. For instance, justifying X and Jane's behaviour in the streets of Hobart. And it's the little jabs (MM being tarty) that shows that she is not above to dishing others when it suits.

She knows what she is doing because she is a professional poster. Now AussieGirl was you typical Mary lover who was shocked!

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« Reply #156 on: December 16, 2011, 11:45:44 PM »



Since DA cited freedom of speech like a shield, I have to say something about it. I don't know about Australia or anywhere else, but in the U.S., the 1st amendment only protects individuals from government censorship based on a certain elements. It doesn't prevent any private groups from setting codes of conduct. Nor does it protect individuals from being sued or prosecuted for harrasment, defamation, incitement of violence etc. There are many limits to freedom of speech. it is completely within the administrators' rights to set limits. She couldn't toe within those limits, she has the freedom to go somehwere else. The same rule applies to the rest of us.

And this is from someone who dislikes Mary. I don't like Mary's bogan and drama queen behaviors, just as I don't like DA's vulgarity and drama queen behaviors.  



What started this off was not an attack on a poster but on a wishful thought expressed in haste by DA. Then she was pounced on. And she went into attack mode. In fairness, then all the posters who attacked DA should be banned as well (If we follow the attack on fellow dishers literally).

You're just adding your two cents worth because you didn't like DA style of posting(being Vulgar and a drama queen). Following your reasoning is NO reason to ban a poster. Maria banned her for attacking back which was in her right to do.
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« Reply #157 on: December 17, 2011, 12:05:23 AM »

I always enjoyed that this board is heterogeneous. And DA belongs to the different views. She is maybe more crass than others, but I donīt see the need to make a fuss about one post she made. Itīs getting boring to discuss this every 2 months.  Snore
And no, donīt leave DA! I belong to those who like you! Smiley


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Reminds me of a similar case in April  Whistle

Ok. I don't understand . What case in april? And what is your right opinion about DA case? I think I know too little about a lot of things Confused
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« Reply #158 on: December 17, 2011, 12:08:28 AM »

What started this off was not an attack on a poster but on a wishful thought expressed in haste by DA. Then she was pounced on. And she went into attack mode. In fairness, then all the posters who attacked DA should be banned as well (If we follow the attack on fellow dishers literally).

So based on your summary, DA provoked others by posting a hateful message about Mary. (It's the "get rid of her" message, isn't it?) Others voiced their disagreement or criticized her. DA fought back 10 times harder (from the posts I read). DA got banned. How does that make DA a "victim"? Maybe I'm missing something.
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« Reply #159 on: December 17, 2011, 12:13:41 AM »

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I'm not sure what this is referring to. But if you're suspecting something I posted in April, I could assure you that I was too busy working in April to post much here.
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« Reply #160 on: December 17, 2011, 12:25:29 AM »

What started this off was not an attack on a poster but on a wishful thought expressed in haste by DA. Then she was pounced on. And she went into attack mode. In fairness, then all the posters who attacked DA should be banned as well (If we follow the attack on fellow dishers literally).

So based on your summary, DA provoked others by posting a hateful message about Mary. (It's the "get rid of her" message, isn't it?) Others voiced their disagreement or criticized her. DA fought back 10 times harder (from the posts I read). DA got banned. How does that make DA a "victim"? Maybe I'm missing something.

Go back and look at the post. DA made a comment that was not in anyway directed at any poster. I even answered her wishful thoughts by telling her why the Elite would never go after Mary(I believe Diana was assasinated).

Others came in and thought her comments were vile and continued with that line until DA went into defense mode. And it's understandable. Then it got personal. And then she got banned. I feel she was entraped. DA has always had that style of colourful posting. It's not new.

Now look at other threads like Mary's children. They have been called retards, delayed, physically impared etc(and that's being nice).  Why aren't you insisting these posters get banned. They are kids and defensless (and I don't go down that road of postsing but I won't stop others). Or TEEF? She has been called everything under the sun, mocked at and spat on. That should offend your feminist soul. But it doesn't.

What is the Dishing line? And at what line can we ask a poster to get banned? DA was posting within the Dishing rules at that point(the one rule being not to attack posters).
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« Reply #161 on: December 17, 2011, 12:38:00 AM »

Others came in and thought her comments were vile and continued with that line until DA went into defense mode. And it'ss understandable. Then it got personal. And then she got banned. I feel she was entraped. DA has always had that style of colourful posting. It's not new.


She got banned because she refused to stop attacking other posters. It's as simple as that. We got a shitload of complaints about her comment about wishing for Mary to get assasinated - so many that we simply couldn't ignore it. As for whether wishing Mary dead is worse than saying Christian suffers from autism - I have no idea what is worse or if it's really the same but the number of complaints and reports certainly suggests that people here think there's a difference. So she got a warning and I thought we reached an understanding but obviously we did not and at that point I just had it. We have - I have - been extremely lenient towards her and when the response is like it was from her .. I simply don't know how or why we should accept more of the same response from a poster. Please explain that to me someone, because I don't see it.
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« Reply #162 on: December 17, 2011, 12:42:11 AM »

I don't read every posts in every threads. Thank god I'm not the administrator/moderator here. If there are posts that offend you, you can speak up or report them to the administrators. I don't know why *I* was obligated to speak up about posts that offended anyone else. And just because others misbehave, in your opinion, it doesn't excuse DA's behaviors. Two wrongs do not make a right. IMO, DA's behaviors have been the worst and it seems the administrators agreed. You're free to disagree.

Using the term "entrapment" is getting anyone off the hook by not holding anyone responsible for her or his own behaviors. I completely agree with freethespoon on this one. No one forced DA to post what she posted or how she posted. She basically dared the administrators to ban her after getting a warning. What did you expect Maria to do? DA brought it on herself.



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« Reply #163 on: December 17, 2011, 12:49:06 AM »

I don't read every posts in every threads. Thank god I'm not the administrator/moderator here. If there are posts that offend you, you can speak up or report them to the administrators. I don't know why *I* was obligated to speak up about posts that offended anyone else. And just because others misbehave, in your opinion, it doesn't excuse DA's behaviors. Two wrongs do not make a right. IMO, DA's behaviors have been the worst and it seems the administrators agreed. You're free to disagree.

Using the term "entrapment" is getting anyone off the hook by not holding anyone responsible for her or his own behaviors. I completely agree with freethespoon on this one. No one forced DA to post what she posted or how she posted. She brought it on herself.


See instead of answering the questions you just justify why you went on the attack(and you didn't read every post either which further highlights my point) and then complained why another poster defended themselves. A bit like shooting someone for your own reasons and then saying they deserved it.

La as long as we follow your rules on posting we should all be OK. Nerves I just thought the rule was not dishing on other posters.
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« Reply #164 on: December 17, 2011, 01:04:56 AM »



She got banned because she refused to stop attacking other posters. It's as simple as that. We got a shitload of complaints about her comment about wishing for Mary to get assasinated - so many that we simply couldn't ignore it. As for whether wishing Mary dead is worse than saying Christian suffers from autism - I have no idea what is worse or if it's really the same but the number of complaints and reports certainly suggests that people here think there's a difference. So she got a warning and I thought we reached an understanding but obviously we did not and at that point I just had it. We have - I have - been extremely lenient towards her and when the response is like it was from her .. I simply don't know how or why we should accept more of the same response from a poster. Please explain that to me someone, because I don't see it.

She agrees you have been lenient. And I think her post was, well typed in haste with no thought at the time behind it. I certainly don't post everything I wish.  Grin But she didn't know that post was a breach and when the others attacked her she went nuts back.

Maybe another clear rule is that Dishing is not wishing ill on Royals.
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