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« Reply #30 on: May 24, 2011, 09:14:02 PM »

I've followed this case closely and frankly, I found people's dismissal off-hand that a powerful man wouldn't rape a lowly maid a bit sexist and elitist. Several points:

1. The prosecutor said there were "substantial" evidences. It's not just a he said she said case. The first DNA evidence came in: His sperm was found on the maid's shirt. So here goes his attorney's first defense: "He's never there!" Some reports said he had injury on his body and blood evidence in the hotel room that shows a struggle. Some of the forensic evidences are still in testing. We'll have to wait until all the evidences are presented in court.

2. He has a history of aggressively pursuing, harrassing and attacking women. The French journalist who was attacked by him talked about the incident on a 2007 TV talk show but French TV bleeped out his name. He pressured subordinates to have sex with him in IMF. Two other hotel employees, front desk receptionist and conceige, said he "invited" them to his room to have drinks before the incident. They turned him down. So he's on the prowl and was frustrated by rejections. He has gotten away with his behaviors all these years so he thought he would get away with this one too. He didn't believe anyone would believe a lowly maid. Unfortunately for him, this is the US. If it's in France, he might have gotten away with it. 

3. The maid is a 32-year-old devout muslin window who works to support her daughter. Her employer vouches for her work record and behavior during the three years she works there. If she's looking for extra income, it would have come up long before now. And what's the chance of her having one-look at this 62-year-old short fat old man in the nude and "consenting" to give him a blow job on the spot? And she was reportedly traumatized so that she's shaking uncontrollably afterward when she reported the incident to hotel staff and supervisor.

4. This Special Victim Unit is specialized in rapes and sexual assaults. They're not that easily fooled. Remember this, prosecutors would not go forward with a case against someone who can afford the best attorneys in town with a "he said, she said" case with no corroborated evidences. They don't want to mess up their conviction rate. Plus, the grand jury heard the case and indicted him. That's three hurdles she had passed. Apparently, she's convicing.

5. He never asked what he's arrested for from the airport to the police station. He knew. His defense attorney first said he's never there. Now they're hinting it's consensual sex because they learned there's forensic evidence. Her story never changed. His did.

I'm not a jury. I don't need to presume him innocent. From everything I heard so far, I think he did it. I hope he won't get away with it. 
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« Reply #31 on: May 24, 2011, 09:39:27 PM »

One more thing about the timing, she entered at noon. It's check-out time for most hotels. She knocked on the door to announce "housekeeping" several times before entering. Guests are expected to check out by that time. If guests stay for more than one night, maids would enter after knocking on the door if there's no "Do Not Disturb" tag on the door. Guests are most likely out sight-seeing or doing business. I travel quite a bit. And this is absolutely normal practice. Those DSK defenders who make a big deal about a maid's entering the room do not know what they're talking about. 
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« Reply #32 on: May 24, 2011, 09:46:31 PM »

I donț know how this work in USA but in Europe, I traveled 2-3 times a year for the last ten years and not ONCE a maid entered my room while me or my husband were there.
Again I donțt exclude the posibility he beeing guilty but I didnt liked that show with him paraded guilty before the trail.
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« Reply #33 on: May 24, 2011, 10:04:52 PM »

I donț know how this work in USA but in Europe, I traveled 2-3 times a year for the last ten years and not ONCE a maid entered my room while me or my husband were there.
Again I donțt exclude the posibility he beeing guilty but I didnt liked that show with him paraded guilty before the trail.

I travel quite a bit too. If you have the do not disturb sign on the door, well, the maid just skips the room. If you don´t have the sign up, there is a knock on the door. If you are not there - or if you don´t react to the knocking, the maid will enter to clean the room.
It could very well have happened the way it is described.
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« Reply #34 on: May 24, 2011, 10:23:16 PM »

i have had maids knocking at my hotel rooms many times. and it is really nothing unusual for them to enter your room while you are in there when you didn't hear them knock. it has happened to me several times, either because it was a large room/mini suite and i didn't hear them knock or because i was in the bathroom. it's standard procedure in many hotels in the USA and in europe.

also, contrary to what some idiot french intellectual claimed, maids do not necessarily come in "brigades of two".


DSK was not paraded "guilty". he was treated as every other person would be treated in a similar case. i can understand that some were shocked because it's quite unusual to see a man in his position treated that way and it's also difficult for some to fathom that a man of his standing would rape a simple hotel maid. but i doubt that he'd been treated that way had there not been serious grounds for doing so. i was personally quite surprised that he wasn't immediately released on bail. on the other hand, i do think that the judge needed to make DSK understand that the US judicial system means business and that he won't get any pass because of who he is.


Laprincess,
i too have followed the case closely and agree pretty much with your great summary. i was waiting for dna evidence  and if it is true that it was found to the maid's clothes (as opposed to "on the bed" or on "the floor"), then it definitely supports her account. the latest report on where on her clothes they found it and the detailed account on what happened will make it very difficult for DSK not to be charged for rape.

i hope that this case and arnold schwarzenegger's will also open a real debate on these women that choose to turn a blind eye to sexual harassment and rape claims and support their despicable husbands no matter what in their political ambitions.

btw, the french journalist story was mentioned in a book that talked about DSK. the book was published a few years ago but was, surprise surprise, largely ignored by the media.
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« Reply #35 on: May 24, 2011, 10:30:41 PM »

http://www.dailymail.co.u...ance-beacon-civility.html

http://www.dailymail.co.u...-maids-family-Guinea.html

Friends of Dominque Strauss-Kahn have reportedly contacted the family of the maid he is alleged to have sexually assaulted to pay them to drop the case, according to a US newspaper.

The alleged victim, who is in protective custody, has an extended family who live in a remote village in Guinea, West Africa.
Associates of the former IMF chief are alleged to have approached the relatives and offered a seven-figure sum to persuade the maid to withdraw charges, the New York Post reported.


JMO it looks like his friends know he's guilty too  Dead  i think the odds just went up he's going to flee bail
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« Reply #36 on: May 24, 2011, 10:32:18 PM »

Clara lets see what those woman have to say and if it is really true they have to make legal complaints against him. It is not enough to speak with some journalists.
We have a female journalist here who said just after his arest that he seduced her when he was in Romania and after all media just inflamed and declared him guilty of another offence, she declared that it was nothing like that .
You have her story :
http://www.microsofttrans..._Chiriac_0_482352068.html


Those two women said what it happened in the quote I extracted, and the journalist(and her mother) explain why she didn't press charges. No wonder they didn't, with the way he's protected in France and how seriously people take the victims  Crap

Thanks for the summary Laprincess  Star
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« Reply #37 on: May 25, 2011, 04:33:05 AM »

http://www.dailymail.co.u...ance-beacon-civility.html

http://www.dailymail.co.u...-maids-family-Guinea.html

Friends of Dominque Strauss-Kahn have reportedly contacted the family of the maid he is alleged to have sexually assaulted to pay them to drop the case, according to a US newspaper.

The alleged victim, who is in protective custody, has an extended family who live in a remote village in Guinea, West Africa.
Associates of the former IMF chief are alleged to have approached the relatives and offered a seven-figure sum to persuade the maid to withdraw charges, the New York Post reported.


JMO it looks like his friends know he's guilty too  Dead  i think the odds just went up he's going to flee bail

I hope his friends know that witness tempering is a crime in the US. This is not a civil case brought by the maid herself. This is a criminal investigation and the case is people vs. DSK.

Clara, I'm very impressed by Spain's Finance Minister, I forgot her name, who said last week at the early stage of the scandal that if she felt any solidatory and sympathy, it would be with the maid. She was one of the first prominent female politicians to speak out. I still haven't heard anything from American women organizations such as NOW. Is it because DSK is a socialist and close to NOW's political idealogy thus NOW is keeping silence? Just like they kept their silence during Bill Clinton's scandal? It's so hypocratic.

DSK is a hypocrite too. A socialist is supposed to be for the working people. He stays in a 3000-a-night hotel room, lives in a $4 million massion in DC, travels in the first class and preys on working women either subordinate to him to in a vulnerable position.   
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« Reply #38 on: May 25, 2011, 08:46:35 AM »

the official price of the suite is 3000 USD but he paid something around 500 USD for it, which is a lot for many but not excessive considering his income and position.

re. for his mansion, he happens to be married to a wealthy woman that can afford that kind of expense. not that it is a crime had he been the one buying or financing it with his own money.

being wealthy is not incompatible with being on the left of the political spectrum. there is also nothing wrong with enjoying the good things in life. either way, it has nothing to do with the case itself.

re. witness tempering. if he tried to pay off her family in africa, that hardly qualifies for witness tempering, since they are no witnesses. also iirc for witness (or victim) tempering to be criminal it has to be met with success, which is not the case here, i.e. the witness or victim would simply not testify.

if the dna finds are correct, then a financial settlement is probaby going to be in the works if it's not already.
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« Reply #39 on: May 25, 2011, 10:19:10 AM »

interesting article on DSK's wife.

http://www.nytimes.com/20...strauss%20kahn&st=cse
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« Reply #40 on: May 25, 2011, 12:08:30 PM »

http://www.dailymail.co.u...ance-beacon-civility.html

http://www.dailymail.co.u...-maids-family-Guinea.html

Friends of Dominque Strauss-Kahn have reportedly contacted the family of the maid he is alleged to have sexually assaulted to pay them to drop the case, according to a US newspaper.

The alleged victim, who is in protective custody, has an extended family who live in a remote village in Guinea, West Africa.
Associates of the former IMF chief are alleged to have approached the relatives and offered a seven-figure sum to persuade the maid to withdraw charges, the New York Post reported.


JMO it looks like his friends know he's guilty too  Dead  i think the odds just went up he's going to flee bail

I hope his friends know that witness tempering is a crime in the US. This is not a civil case brought by the maid herself. This is a criminal investigation and the case is people vs. DSK.

Clara, I'm very impressed by Spain's Finance Minister, I forgot her name, who said last week at the early stage of the scandal that if she felt any solidatory and sympathy, it would be with the maid. She was one of the first prominent female politicians to speak out. I still haven't heard anything from American women organizations such as NOW. Is it because DSK is a socialist and close to NOW's political idealogy thus NOW is keeping silence? Just like they kept their silence during Bill Clinton's scandal? It's so hypocratic.

DSK is a hypocrite too. A socialist is supposed to be for the working people. He stays in a 3000-a-night hotel room, lives in a $4 million massion in DC, travels in the first class and preys on working women either subordinate to him to in a vulnerable position.   

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« Reply #41 on: May 25, 2011, 01:03:37 PM »

http://www.dailymail.co.u...ance-beacon-civility.html

http://www.dailymail.co.u...-maids-family-Guinea.html

Friends of Dominque Strauss-Kahn have reportedly contacted the family of the maid he is alleged to have sexually assaulted to pay them to drop the case, according to a US newspaper.

The alleged victim, who is in protective custody, has an extended family who live in a remote village in Guinea, West Africa.
Associates of the former IMF chief are alleged to have approached the relatives and offered a seven-figure sum to persuade the maid to withdraw charges, the New York Post reported.


JMO it looks like his friends know he's guilty too  Dead  i think the odds just went up he's going to flee bail

I hope his friends know that witness tempering is a crime in the US. This is not a civil case brought by the maid herself. This is a criminal investigation and the case is people vs. DSK.

Clara, I'm very impressed by Spain's Finance Minister, I forgot her name, who said last week at the early stage of the scandal that if she felt any solidatory and sympathy, it would be with the maid. She was one of the first prominent female politicians to speak out. I still haven't heard anything from American women organizations such as NOW. Is it because DSK is a socialist and close to NOW's political idealogy thus NOW is keeping silence? Just like they kept their silence during Bill Clinton's scandal? It's so hypocratic.

DSK is a hypocrite too. A socialist is supposed to be for the working people. He stays in a 3000-a-night hotel room, lives in a $4 million massion in DC, travels in the first class and preys on working women either subordinate to him to in a vulnerable position.   

i was thinking the same thing laprincess. it is now out of her hands. and it would pretty bad if she now said it wasnt really a rape. i think she has crossed the line and cant go back. frankly, i will be glad that dsk gets his just desserts. i hate men using their vip status to rip off women. it looks like he just keeps propositioning women till one says yes......if you ask enough of them, one is bound to agree. I am 100 percent sure he has brought home a STD a time or two or three. These people think they are too high and mighty to get a disease.
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« Reply #42 on: May 25, 2011, 02:45:29 PM »

french medias were under the average in their way to cover this scandal, an example jean françois khan (a well know french journaliste) said that it was for him only a "troussage de domestique" (domestic trussing) as if we were in medieval time Thumb down
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« Reply #43 on: May 25, 2011, 03:06:08 PM »

french medias were under the average in their way to cover this scandal, an example jean françois khan (a well know french journaliste) said that it was for him only a "troussage de domestique" (domestic trussing) as if we were in medieval time Thumb down

that's not exactly what he said loubna a.

he said that he didn't think that it was a violent rape attempt because he knows the guy.

and when he mentioned "troussage de domestique" he also added that it was not a good thing.


to be clear, he was minimizing the act --as if there were different types of rape!  Angry-- and he deserves to be named and shamed.

his exact words can be heard here.
http://www.le-grand-barnu...oads/2011/05/Machisme.mp3
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« Reply #44 on: May 25, 2011, 03:10:20 PM »

he said that he didn't think that it was a violent rape attempt because he knows the guy.

That's what the neighbors always say about serial killers. "But he's such a nice guy!" Dead
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