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« Reply #45 on: May 25, 2011, 03:18:15 PM »

it the accusations are true, i think it's likely he's a serial rapist

"don't you know who i am">  that sounds just like something a powerful man would say during an assault JMO  Thumb down
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« Reply #46 on: May 25, 2011, 03:19:14 PM »

@ loubna

not french medias please
J.F. Kahn alone, and, yes, it was a big "connerie" and he had to apologize

all these generalisations !!

I can take a lot of points because all we know is that we dont know what happened in that room, only the two protagonists know

everything else is hysteria

And I have to say, I dont like especially DSK but every body in France enjoys the presumption of innocence and the law forbids  to publish a handcuffed person, this applies to everyone as you are powerful or miserable Yes

Human rights (as someone mentioned) is also that

We respect american justice, but we have our own respect of the laws

Is he guilty ? perhaps yes, perhaps no. Let justice make its job

And an other thing, Tristane Banon never complained
his case is very "smoky" Wink
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« Reply #47 on: May 25, 2011, 03:22:43 PM »

he said that he didn't think that it was a violent rape attempt because he knows the guy.

That's what the neighbors always say about serial killers. "But he's such a nice guy!" Dead

Yes, because always a great sideration

All this story is so incredible at the first time, and then attitudes change and place things in perspective
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« Reply #48 on: May 25, 2011, 03:42:37 PM »

And I want to say that it is because they believe that rape is a crime that the first reactions were in the denial

how has he be able to do that ??!!

DSK gave an interview a few weeks before to Libération saying he expected a woman accused him of rape in a parking

or attacks on his Jewishness

well, he expected something violent

+ opposition (UMP) in France had promised him the "nuclear fire" if he would go to presidential elections



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« Reply #49 on: May 26, 2011, 07:00:13 AM »

@ loubna

not french medias please
J.F. Kahn alone, and, yes, it was a big "connerie" and he had to apologize

all these generalisations !!

I can take a lot of points because all we know is that we dont know what happened in that room, only the two protagonists know

everything else is hysteria

And I have to say, I dont like especially DSK but every body in France enjoys the presumption of innocence and the law forbids  to publish a handcuffed person, this applies to everyone as you are powerful or miserable Yes

Human rights (as someone mentioned) is also that

We respect american justice, but we have our own respect of the laws

Is he guilty ? perhaps yes, perhaps no. Let justice make its job

And an other thing, Tristane Banon never complainedhis case is very "smoky" Wink

First of all, he's arrested in US, not France. He's treated as anyone else arrested in the US would have been treated.

Second, if Tristane Banon has complained, would she be believed? It probably would be more a "he said she said" case. He's already a powerful politician. She's a 22-year-old rookie reporter. Wouldn't French people ask the same questions and use the same defenses as they're spouting now? Would any women be believed for alleging assault by a powerful politician in France? Only a small % of rape victims report the crime for a good reason. They would be rape twice, the second time in court. I'd bet it would be an even lower % in France, judging by all the male chauvinism in recent comments.

Third, if DSK knew women could do him in, why did he still proposition to any women who crossed his path? It's like his pre-emptive strike because he knew he would lose controls at some points. It doesn't mean it's a conspiracy. It just means he knows himself very well.

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« Reply #50 on: May 26, 2011, 07:17:10 AM »

the official price of the suite is 3000 USD but he paid something around 500 USD for it, which is a lot for many but not excessive considering his income and position.

re. for his mansion, he happens to be married to a wealthy woman that can afford that kind of expense. not that it is a crime had he been the one buying or financing it with his own money.

being wealthy is not incompatible with being on the left of the political spectrum. there is also nothing wrong with enjoying the good things in life. either way, it has nothing to do with the case itself.

re. witness tempering. if he tried to pay off her family in africa, that hardly qualifies for witness tempering, since they are no witnesses. also iirc for witness (or victim) tempering to be criminal it has to be met with success, which is not the case here, i.e. the witness or victim would simply not testify.

if the dna finds are correct, then a financial settlement is probaby going to be in the works if it's not already.


It may not be relevant to the case but the point is: Socialists are supposed to be champion for the working class. He's not only living large, he also uses his position to harrass working women under him. It's hypocratic.

Yes, his camp could pull a Kobe if the victim would take his money and refuse to testify. But she doesn't seem the same type of woman as Kobe's accuser. 
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« Reply #51 on: May 26, 2011, 08:28:15 AM »



First of all, he's arrested in US, not France. He's treated as anyone else arrested in the US would have been treated.

Second, if Tristane Banon has complained, would she be believed? It probably would be more a "he said she said" case. He's already a powerful politician. She's a 22-year-old rookie reporter. Wouldn't French people ask the same questions and use the same defenses as they're spouting now? Would any women be believed for alleging assault by a powerful politician in France? Only a small % of rape victims report the crime for a good reason. They would be rape twice, the second time in court. I'd bet it would be an even lower % in France, judging by all the male chauvinism in recent comments.

Third, if DSK knew women could do him in, why did he still proposition to any women who crossed his path? It's like his pre-emptive strike because he knew he would lose controls at some points. It doesn't mean it's a conspiracy. It just means he knows himself very well.



Who said it's not  Huh?
I just tried to make understand some reactions in France. I did not write anything else. Please, open your mind
 
You whrite "I'd bet it would be an even lower % in France, judging by all the male chauvinism in recent comments. "  Yikes Prejudge what you want and continue with caricature and misinformation
but without me, I can do nothing against that Wink
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« Reply #52 on: May 26, 2011, 10:09:48 AM »

the tristane banon would probably have ended as a "he said she said" thing had she filed a claim.

it has less to do with him being a powerful politician than the difficulty to prove that she had indeed been assaulted. a lot of cases of that kind end like that, whether you are an average guy or a powerful politician.



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« Reply #53 on: May 26, 2011, 09:33:29 PM »

Here is how paying off the maid could be considered witness tampering or obstruction of justice:

http://www.reuters.com/ar...ibe-idUSTRE74P60T20110526






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« Reply #54 on: May 31, 2011, 11:10:05 AM »

Personally I don't know how people think that can make up their mind about what happened from hearing fragmented stories I think people should let the court do It's job
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I have no idea what happened in that hotel room as I wasn't there, however it's upto a court to decide and I find it disturbing that once again we're having a trial by media.

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« Reply #55 on: May 31, 2011, 05:25:12 PM »

Personally I don't know how people think that can make up their mind about what happened from hearing fragmented stories I think people should let the court do It's job
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I have no idea what happened in that hotel room as I wasn't there, however it's upto a court to decide and I find it disturbing that once again we're having a trial by media.



And would I like to add.

It is depressing how people try to blame the alleged victim.
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« Reply #56 on: May 31, 2011, 10:07:45 PM »

A former chairman of an Egyptian bank is accused of molesting a maid in another Manhattan hotel:

http://www.ibtimes.com/ar...ominique-strauss-kahn.htm

Hasn't he heard of the Stauss-Kahn case? Maids in the US are off-limit.  Nono

BTW, for the DSK case, I agree with Marianne. I find it absolutely hypocritial for French press to get all outraged at the pictures of DSK in handcuffs but on the other hand, disclose the victim's name, photos and even her 15-year-old daughter's name. It seems to me French establishment is more interested in protecting one of their own than anything else. As some French commentators noted, the maid's claim would not have gone anywhere if it has happened in France. An uneducated African immigrant would not be believe against a man of power and wealth in France.

Here is a New York Times article about inequality between men and women in France:

http://www.nytimes.com/20...urope/01iht-letter01.html  
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« Reply #57 on: May 31, 2011, 10:18:56 PM »

Personally I don't know how people think that can make up their mind about what happened from hearing fragmented stories I think people should let the court do It's job
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I have no idea what happened in that hotel room as I wasn't there, however it's upto a court to decide and I find it disturbing that once again we're having a trial by media.



 

And would I like to add.

It is depressing how people try to blame the alleged victim.

Nobody here (from all i could read) blame the "alleged victim" . Some of us are waiting for trial , prosecution evidence, defence evidence, what the judge and jury have to say about that by their verdict. IMO justice can't be done on TV.
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« Reply #58 on: May 31, 2011, 11:03:34 PM »

Justice will be when this skuzzy scumbag is put away for this poor African immigrant. That is when justice will be served.

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« Reply #59 on: May 31, 2011, 11:15:22 PM »

Nobody here (from all i could read) blame the "alleged victim" . Some of us are waiting for trial , prosecution evidence, defence evidence, what the judge and jury have to say about that by their verdict. IMO justice can't be done on TV.
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