MM and her relationshiop with her son Marius...

[getafix]

geee whizzz...H is bothered by all those pesky reporters and investigations.

it's ruining his brown suede shoes.

poor mite.

G

[Paulina]

Children raised by the same parents do not necessarily turn out the same. I will simply say my mother was not a good person, and my brother is the same. Turns out Grandmother was not either. Thanks to Ancestry giving free access to newspapers for a time, I found out grandma robbed money from envelopes while working at the post office in the early 20th century. This was the woman who always said any bad traits I had must have come from my father . . .

I knew, do not ask me how, from early on that my mother was not as she should be, and that I didn't want to be like her.

IA could very well be the same way, and it had to be at least somewhat chaotic growing up in that household. It might have been a big turn off. She had the example of Harald and Sonja, and may modeled her behavior on them.

Anyway, She is doing Army service now, which, if needed, may knock any bad habits out of her.

I'm not quite ready to tar her, or Sverre Mangus either, with the same brush as MM and Marius.

JMHO.

Thank you for that post! It is my own opinion, because of family experiences for 2 or 3 generations. Without going into details, people should just be careful in judging offspring because of the way their parents or even grandparents are or have been. There are many examples of different  developments of children.

People who have been lucky to have  children who all turned out well because of good parenting and maybe of good genes, mostly cannot understand why other people don't and they always put the blame on wrong parenting.

For an example: My parents in law raised four sons, all of them successful, all of them went to college and are happy in their marriages (except the one "black sheep").

This woman, and I liked her although she really was from another world,  had no idea how lucky she was. I discussed that often with her and she would not admit that there are misfortunes, sad incidents that can change familiy's life and the "happy healthy family like it should be" is broken.

Her biggest problem was, that her oldest son got a divorce and she never asked why and talked to him. That was just "something that people dont do, when they have children, they should work it out, and then everything will be great again".

I lost my father in a fatal accident, when I was just 4 years old. My mother never got over this and my whole childhood was overshadowed by her grief,  anger and selfishness. And I had all chances to become a desaster, and I didn't, although my parenting by a single aggressive and selfish mother. could have paved the way for this. 

I only mention this, because in my husband's family desasters or difficult children never happened.  They all functioned perfectly. That's why she never understood the difficult reality of others who also raised their children just with the same good intentions, but didn't have the luck she had.


Therefore I am very careful about judging other people that I don't know.

 

[Maria]

One of the lawyers for the victims wants MM questioned by the police. Apparently they are looking into whether they can - constitutionally.

[Kemenate]

SO NOW I'M GOING TO GO HOME TO HER.

What a sad pu**whipped cartoon figure you are, Haakon!

[onar]

SO NOW I'M GOING TO GO HOME TO HER.

What a sad pu**whipped cartoon figure you are, Haakon!

He clearly chose sides, he supports his wife's bad choices regarding her own son and the monarchy. He doesn't give a sh*t about his country, the law...
Aweful behaviour, especially for a future monarch. How the people will trust him?

[Kemenate]

SO NOW I'M GOING TO GO HOME TO HER.

What a sad pu**whipped cartoon figure you are, Haakon!

He clearly chose sides, he supports his wife's bad choices regarding her own son and the monarchy. He doesn't give a sh*t about his country, the law...
Aweful behaviour, especially for a future monarch. How the people will trust him?

They can't.. Do we have citizens from Norway here? How is the temperature regarding the royal household there?

[Miss Marple]

Seriously? It is basically judgement day - rightfully.

MM and Haakon have been married for nearly a quarter of a century. She was totally unsuitable to start with - and not because of one bad decision, but because of a series of weird decisions (drug taking, keeping company with conviced fellons, getting pregnant after a one night stand). Both had 24 years so far to convince the public that MM deserved a second chance - and yes, there have been red flags in between.

So she -for once- will have to own up to what she has done. I am just afraid that some poor soul from the police force, who thought it would be a good idea to minimize the impact by e.g. suggesting that they did not arrest him near the castle ... his or her head will also role - sadly.

[Maria]

I doubt she got pregnant on purpose and I don’t feel comfortable hosting a discussion where a woman is shamed for having relationships before she got married. No one is shaming Haakon for his previous relationships and his taste in women is at least as unsuitable as MM’s, if not worse. Keeping Marius is actually the only choice of MM’s I think speaks of her thinking about someone else than herself.

[anneboleyn]

SO NOW I'M GOING TO GO HOME TO HER.

What a sad pu**whipped cartoon figure you are, Haakon!

Comments like this are putting the blame on MM and excusing Haakon for his behaviour. He’s a grown man that has made his own choices and should be held responsible for them.

[Miss Marple]

Yes and No. I think we can all agree that -despite one's best efforts- a child can turn out not the way the parents wished or had intended. That has happened here. Surely neither MM nor Haakon nor Marius' biological dad were first class parents, but he grew up in a rather stable environment, and very very financially privileged as well.

When the phone call came it was MM's first instinct to "help". Maybe understandable for a mom's point of view, but this is not what (1) a responsible law-abdidding citizen would do?  (2) a compassionate mom would do? (3) did she consider Haakon and his position? (4) did she consider the position of all her in-laws? (5) did she consider that she would endanger the monarchic future of her daughter IA?. In that acute situation, it was MM reacting impulsively. And - as so often - totally wrong.

In fact she got things wrong on five different levels:
1 she, who is one of the highest government officials, broke the law and tempered with evidence
2 she did not enable her child to face the consequences of his doings (well, he does, but she wanted to make sure he did not have to face them)
3 she picked her deliquent son over her husband's needs
4 she put the king into a very dangerous situation - after all the family had done for her
5 she put Marius' needs over IA's

As a result many Norwegians will be way more critical of the monarchy than before. How do things look for Haakon?
1 he is married to someone who broke the law for her own personal interests (well, the interests of his step son)
2 He condoned that the last time something happened (e.g. Marius and his friends wrecking the palace and stealing things) no consequences at all happened
3 MM thought it was cleverer to cover up for Marius than to consider the outcome for Haakon, says a lot of things about the state of their relationship, IMO
4 He will have to face his mom and dad and explain, e.g. why he thought it was a good idea not to seek any form of action after Marius wrecked the place
5 His wife decided to help Marius - even though that decision endangers IA's position.

MM can't possibly be that stupid. Haakon can't possibly be unaware that the situation there was totally out of hand. He enabled everything. He never put his foot down. He never, also not after he suffered consequences, by having his place raided, thought that a red lines was crossed and it was time to intervene. Haakon looks very very stupid in this.

And: On a side-note. What -with all the knowledge about the situation she had- gave MM the idea that it was a good first reaction to take Marius shopping and laugh and act normally? Is that what she always does?

[loveofenglishtradition]

I doubt she got pregnant on purpose and I don’t feel comfortable hosting a discussion where a woman is shamed for having relationships before she got married. No one is shaming Haakon for his previous relationships and his taste in women is at least as unsuitable as MM’s, if not worse. Keeping Marius is actually the only choice of MM’s I think speaks of her thinking about someone else than herself.

[Paulina]

All superb points, Miss Mare. Agree wholeheartedly.

I have new respect for Queen Mary of GB (Teck) besides her jewel collecting.

She put the crown first, and moved quietly and magnificently for the future, even as it was obvious many crowned heads of Europe were rolling at the time from when she was young to her granddaughter becoming queen.

No one in the NRF seems to have put the crown first nor are they distinguishing the person from the crown.

[getafix]

Yes and No. I think we can all agree that -despite one's best efforts- a child can turn out not the way the parents wished or had intended. That has happened here. Surely neither MM nor Haakon nor Marius' biological dad were first class parents, but he grew up in a rather stable environment, and very very financially privileged as well.

When the phone call came it was MM's first instinct to "help". Maybe understandable for a mom's point of view, but this is not what (1) a responsible law-abdidding citizen would do?  (2) a compassionate mom would do? (3) did she consider Haakon and his position? (4) did she consider the position of all her in-laws? (5) did she consider that she would endanger the monarchic future of her daughter IA?. In that acute situation, it was MM reacting impulsively. And - as so often - totally wrong.

In fact she got things wrong on five different levels:
1 she, who is one of the highest government officials, broke the law and tempered with evidence
2 she did not enable her child to face the consequences of his doings (well, he does, but she wanted to make sure he did not have to face them)
3 she picked her deliquent son over her husband's needs
4 she put the king into a very dangerous situation - after all the family had done for her
5 she put Marius' needs over IA's

As a result many Norwegians will be way more critical of the monarchy than before. How do things look for Haakon?
1 he is married to someone who broke the law for her own personal interests (well, the interests of his step son)
2 He condoned that the last time something happened (e.g. Marius and his friends wrecking the palace and stealing things) no consequences at all happened
3 MM thought it was cleverer to cover up for Marius than to consider the outcome for Haakon, says a lot of things about the state of their relationship, IMO
4 He will have to face his mom and dad and explain, e.g. why he thought it was a good idea not to seek any form of action after Marius wrecked the place
5 His wife decided to help Marius - even though that decision endangers IA's position.

MM can't possibly be that stupid. Haakon can't possibly be unaware that the situation there was totally out of hand. He enabled everything. He never put his foot down. He never, also not after he suffered consequences, by having his place raided, thought that a red lines was crossed and it was time to intervene. Haakon looks very very stupid in this.

And: On a side-note. What -with all the knowledge about the situation she had- gave MM the idea that it was a good first reaction to take Marius shopping and laugh and act normally? Is that what she always does?

you know, I coulod buy all the other things you've listed...except MM taking M shopping.

that told me that she knew full well what was happening and what she was doing and why.

  from me too.

G

[leatherface]

Seriously? It is basically judgement day - rightfully.

MM and Haakon have been married for nearly a quarter of a century. She was totally unsuitable to start with - and not because of one bad decision, but because of a series of weird decisions (drug taking, keeping company with conviced fellons, getting pregnant after a one night stand). Both had 24 years so far to convince the public that MM deserved a second chance - and yes, there have been red flags in between.

So she -for once- will have to own up to what she has done. I am just afraid that some poor soul from the police force, who thought it would be a good idea to minimize the impact by e.g. suggesting that they did not arrest him near the castle ... his or her head will also role - sadly.

The main problem with MM are not the bad decisions made in her youth but her failure to learn from them, especially the associations with unsavoury persons.

Its bad enough that Marius is an addict but not giving him any boundaries and enabling his association with criminals really puts it over the top. As may parents with troubled children know, those kids will not get help until they hit rock bottom and as a mother of 3 children MM has a duty to protect and insulate her 2 younger more vulnerable children who have more responsibilities and expectations placed on them than the child she is setting everything on fire for who does not want help.

MM is a liability to the entire NRF moreso than Marius because at least his actions do not raise constitutional issues and will be sewn up relatively cleanly by the courts going forward. However, MM, the spouse of the future monarch, has potentially violated the constitution Haakon will be required to uphold and protect as monarch when (if) his time comes.

[Maria]

Constitutional questions are being raised - can the police question the crown princess.