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« Reply #2295 on: March 24, 2021, 07:37:38 PM »

Well, it's nice for Anne to have a grandson, after four granddaughters.   Champagne
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« Reply #2296 on: March 24, 2021, 09:02:31 PM »

IMO Mike's comments could be interpreted that now he has both, he is happy. "Now that I have a boy (as well as girls), I'm outa here "  and if the Tindall girls grow up to be like their mother and grandmother, I doubt they'll be offended by much. JMO. I am sure Anne and Mark are happy to have a grandson
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« Reply #2297 on: March 24, 2021, 09:11:21 PM »

It is excellent that Master Lucas has Philip as a middle name.
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« Reply #2298 on: March 24, 2021, 09:27:30 PM »

IMO Mike's comments could be interpreted that now he has both, he is happy. "Now that I have a boy (as well as girls), I'm outa here "  and if the Tindall girls grow up to be like their mother and grandmother, I doubt they'll be offended by much. JMO. I am sure Anne and Mark are happy to have a grandson

Hopefully that's true!
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« Reply #2299 on: March 24, 2021, 10:09:34 PM »

I'm not sure if anyone has posted the clip so...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wex1v63AgRU
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« Reply #2300 on: March 24, 2021, 10:12:35 PM »

It's completely natural, but it's still not something appropriate to say in public considering how large his platform is.

I donít know how large his platform is, but I would guess itís a somewhat tight rugby-based community with a real, British lad spirit going on and honestly, Mike fits it to a t. It can be somewhat crude at times and thatís hardly new about Mike nor unique.

Zara and Mike have two girls they love to bits. They have also lost a baby quite far along in the pregnancy. I donít think they love their girls any less than Lucas and Mike is definitely not the only parent who has expressed wanting one of the opposite sex than what he already has. I am certain they are deeply grateful and relieved they simply had another healthy child where everything went as it should. Itís very possible this is his way of expressing his joy with the situation. I think itís harsh to judge him for that.

I agree here.

He has probably dreamed of having a son to share his passion for sport/rugby. He possibly has even dreamt of his son playing for England. In rugby it is more common for family members across generations to play professional than in other sports. In the UK there's a common notion for dads being excited to have a son to take to football etc. Whilst ofc girls can be interested in sports, that kind of passion to have a son to share your hobbies/joys with is common. Personally speaking, my dad dislikes sports bar motorsports and I love rugby, football, hockey etc, so the dynamic was somewhat reversed in an amusing way.

I'm not reading too much into it as he seems to be a very good father and practices sport with both girls already. I think the excitement of becoming a father again and talking about his life's passion resulted in this. I don't think in any way that it was meant maliciously or in a misogynistic way.

And yes, rugby is a very tight, lads, lads, lads kinda world with a veneer of macho image. In terms of women's rugby, there are some very horrific and negative stereotypes like in women's football which I won't discuss here. But as I said, it is common for sons to follow their father's or brother's footsteps in the sport (think of Owen Farrell, the Gray or Fagerson brothers). I think if he hadn't have mentioned it, one of the other speakers would.

Also, Mike is a world champion. There's perhaps an excited anticipation that the child of one of the 2003 winners may one day emulate his feat, much like Zara and her parents.

I'm also wondering whether Zara or Mike knew the sex of the baby they lost? If it had been a boy then Lucas' arrival is perhaps even more special to them?
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« Reply #2301 on: March 24, 2021, 10:13:45 PM »

It doesn't sound like Mike is like people I know who behave with obvious favoritism towards one child over another (always the girls over the boys, however - especially in my own family, I could go on about the horrible things that have been said to me).

I bet he is excited as most men are excited to have sons, and women are excited to have daughters. The reverse is not so true. I hope though if Lucas is not into rugby he is allowed to be his own little person as it is a struggle I have with my own son who is not a rough-and-tumble boy's boy people expect.
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« Reply #2302 on: March 24, 2021, 10:31:38 PM »

Awe!    Blush 
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« Reply #2303 on: March 24, 2021, 11:28:20 PM »

It's completely natural, but it's still not something appropriate to say in public considering how large his platform is.

I donít know how large his platform is, but I would guess itís a somewhat tight rugby-based community with a real, British lad spirit going on and honestly, Mike fits it to a t. It can be somewhat crude at times and thatís hardly new about Mike nor unique.

Zara and Mike have two girls they love to bits. They have also lost a baby quite far along in the pregnancy. I donít think they love their girls any less than Lucas and Mike is definitely not the only parent who has expressed wanting one of the opposite sex than what he already has. I am certain they are deeply grateful and relieved they simply had another healthy child where everything went as it should. Itís very possible this is his way of expressing his joy with the situation. I think itís harsh to judge him for that.

I agree here.

He has probably dreamed of having a son to share his passion for sport/rugby. He possibly has even dreamt of his son playing for England. In rugby it is more common for family members across generations to play professional than in other sports. In the UK there's a common notion for dads being excited to have a son to take to football etc. Whilst ofc girls can be interested in sports, that kind of passion to have a son to share your hobbies/joys with is common. Personally speaking, my dad dislikes sports bar motorsports and I love rugby, football, hockey etc, so the dynamic was somewhat reversed in an amusing way.

I'm not reading too much into it as he seems to be a very good father and practices sport with both girls already. I think the excitement of becoming a father again and talking about his life's passion resulted in this. I don't think in any way that it was meant maliciously or in a misogynistic way.

And yes, rugby is a very tight, lads, lads, lads kinda world with a veneer of macho image. In terms of women's rugby, there are some very horrific and negative stereotypes like in women's football which I won't discuss here. But as I said, it is common for sons to follow their father's or brother's footsteps in the sport (think of Owen Farrell, the Gray or Fagerson brothers). I think if he hadn't have mentioned it, one of the other speakers would.

Also, Mike is a world champion. There's perhaps an excited anticipation that the child of one of the 2003 winners may one day emulate his feat, much like Zara and her parents.

I'm also wondering whether Zara or Mike knew the sex of the baby they lost? If it had been a boy then Lucas' arrival is perhaps even more special to them?

That is a very good point, SvenskaSarah.

They most probably knew the sex of the baby that was miscarried after the pregnancy announcement.
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« Reply #2304 on: March 25, 2021, 12:17:25 AM »

I'm not sure if anyone has posted the clip so...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wex1v63AgRU

Heís very cute and charming and obviously over the moon happy.
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« Reply #2305 on: March 25, 2021, 01:41:09 AM »

What a dramatic story!  I'm glad mother and baby are okay. 

He'll probably go by Luke.  And Luke Tindall sounds like Mike Tindall, so it's perfect IMO.  And another tribute to Phillip.  He's obviously been on his grandchildren's minds.   
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« Reply #2306 on: March 25, 2021, 03:23:08 AM »

Someone in Twitter pointed out that Prince Philip was born in a kitchen table 100 years ago and now his great-grandchild was born on a bathroom floor.
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« Reply #2307 on: March 25, 2021, 04:38:47 AM »

It's completely natural, but it's still not something appropriate to say in public considering how large his platform is.

I donít know how large his platform is, but I would guess itís a somewhat tight rugby-based community with a real, British lad spirit going on and honestly, Mike fits it to a t. It can be somewhat crude at times and thatís hardly new about Mike nor unique.

Zara and Mike have two girls they love to bits. They have also lost a baby quite far along in the pregnancy. I donít think they love their girls any less than Lucas and Mike is definitely not the only parent who has expressed wanting one of the opposite sex than what he already has. I am certain they are deeply grateful and relieved they simply had another healthy child where everything went as it should. Itís very possible this is his way of expressing his joy with the situation. I think itís harsh to judge him for that.

I agree here.

He has probably dreamed of having a son to share his passion for sport/rugby. He possibly has even dreamt of his son playing for England. In rugby it is more common for family members across generations to play professional than in other sports. In the UK there's a common notion for dads being excited to have a son to take to football etc. Whilst ofc girls can be interested in sports, that kind of passion to have a son to share your hobbies/joys with is common. Personally speaking, my dad dislikes sports bar motorsports and I love rugby, football, hockey etc, so the dynamic was somewhat reversed in an amusing way.

I'm not reading too much into it as he seems to be a very good father and practices sport with both girls already. I think the excitement of becoming a father again and talking about his life's passion resulted in this. I don't think in any way that it was meant maliciously or in a misogynistic way.

And yes, rugby is a very tight, lads, lads, lads kinda world with a veneer of macho image. In terms of women's rugby, there are some very horrific and negative stereotypes like in women's football which I won't discuss here. But as I said, it is common for sons to follow their father's or brother's footsteps in the sport (think of Owen Farrell, the Gray or Fagerson brothers). I think if he hadn't have mentioned it, one of the other speakers would.

Also, Mike is a world champion. There's perhaps an excited anticipation that the child of one of the 2003 winners may one day emulate his feat, much like Zara and her parents.

I'm also wondering whether Zara or Mike knew the sex of the baby they lost? If it had been a boy then Lucas' arrival is perhaps even more special to them?

That is a very good point, SvenskaSarah.

They most probably knew the sex of the baby that was miscarried after the pregnancy announcement.

Thank you Smiley
I seem to recall that they miscarried late-ish into the pregnancy (here I mean anytime after the 12 week scan). From my fellow dishers I have learned that the gender of an unborn baby can be ascertained much earlier than I thought (I.e around the 20 week mark) so it is highly likely that Zara and Mike knew the sex of their unborn baby.
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« Reply #2308 on: March 25, 2021, 05:47:35 AM »

All the best to the little family, good health to the new baby and to his Mama.  Champagne
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« Reply #2309 on: March 25, 2021, 08:47:31 AM »

It's completely natural, but it's still not something appropriate to say in public considering how large his platform is.

I donít know how large his platform is, but I would guess itís a somewhat tight rugby-based community with a real, British lad spirit going on and honestly, Mike fits it to a t. It can be somewhat crude at times and thatís hardly new about Mike nor unique.

Zara and Mike have two girls they love to bits. They have also lost a baby quite far along in the pregnancy. I donít think they love their girls any less than Lucas and Mike is definitely not the only parent who has expressed wanting one of the opposite sex than what he already has. I am certain they are deeply grateful and relieved they simply had another healthy child where everything went as it should. Itís very possible this is his way of expressing his joy with the situation. I think itís harsh to judge him for that.

I agree here.

He has probably dreamed of having a son to share his passion for sport/rugby. He possibly has even dreamt of his son playing for England. In rugby it is more common for family members across generations to play professional than in other sports. In the UK there's a common notion for dads being excited to have a son to take to football etc. Whilst ofc girls can be interested in sports, that kind of passion to have a son to share your hobbies/joys with is common. Personally speaking, my dad dislikes sports bar motorsports and I love rugby, football, hockey etc, so the dynamic was somewhat reversed in an amusing way.

I'm not reading too much into it as he seems to be a very good father and practices sport with both girls already. I think the excitement of becoming a father again and talking about his life's passion resulted in this. I don't think in any way that it was meant maliciously or in a misogynistic way.

And yes, rugby is a very tight, lads, lads, lads kinda world with a veneer of macho image. In terms of women's rugby, there are some very horrific and negative stereotypes like in women's football which I won't discuss here. But as I said, it is common for sons to follow their father's or brother's footsteps in the sport (think of Owen Farrell, the Gray or Fagerson brothers). I think if he hadn't have mentioned it, one of the other speakers would.

Also, Mike is a world champion. There's perhaps an excited anticipation that the child of one of the 2003 winners may one day emulate his feat, much like Zara and her parents.

I'm also wondering whether Zara or Mike knew the sex of the baby they lost? If it had been a boy then Lucas' arrival is perhaps even more special to them?

That is a very good point, SvenskaSarah.

They most probably knew the sex of the baby that was miscarried after the pregnancy announcement.

Thank you Smiley
I seem to recall that they miscarried late-ish into the pregnancy (here I mean anytime after the 12 week scan). From my fellow dishers I have learned that the gender of an unborn baby can be ascertained much earlier than I thought (I.e around the 20 week mark) so it is highly likely that Zara and Mike knew the sex of their unborn baby.
Iím pretty sure she said in an interview that she was far enough along that she had to give birth, so Iím certain they would have known the sex of the baby.
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