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The article says he still owes 6.6 mil on it so by the time he pays it off, pays millions in legal fees, taxes (?), etc I doubt there will be much left to pay off VG. (If she even wants to settle)
I too can imagine Charles and Will having a fit about all of this. They’re trying to save the monarchy while Andrew and that other one try to bring it down.
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Yeah, if he sells for £17million (a bit more than they paid for it) take away the £6.6million owed. Then taxes. I also suspect personally that E&B have contributed via their trust fund so their share will be protected, therefore very little left especially if his lawyer does charge £1,000 an hour as reported.
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Won't the capital gains tax be rather small if he's only selling in for a few £100K more than he bought it?
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I think his only chance now is (also for the sake of his daughers and grandchildren) to stay undercover behind the scenes. He already has a very attention seeking and totally tone-deaf ex wife that will spill more beans that he wants to have spilled but has always been beyond control and sees herself as a victim of the system (she often acts as if that pool scene never happened, e.g.).
I think they got that point accross to him and owning the cabin or not would be no difference - if he ever used that cabin again, he would spark headlines he did not want to spark. Plus: The Queen needs to make sure that she stays out of that story. Also money wise.
There will be enough public debate if he should continue living rent-free in 30 room and exclusive Royal Lodge as he no longer works for the firm.
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https://www.dailymail.co....ept-Duke-York-London.htmlA victim of Epstein has waived her anonymity to publicly claim Giuffree text her in 2001 saying she had been for sinner with Epstein Maxwell and Andrew and that she slept with Andrew. In a world exclusive interview with the Daily Mail, Carolyn Andriano says Miss Roberts texted her from London in March 2001 to say she was going for dinner with Andrew, Maxwell and Epstein.
Miss Roberts is alleged to have shown the picture to Mrs Andriano back in Florida, saying of the prince: ‘I got to sleep with him.’
Mrs Andriano, 35, gave harrowing testimony against Maxwell at her trial last month. Four of the five guilty verdicts against her were underpinned by the evidence of the married mother of five, including the most serious charge of sex trafficking a minor which carries a maximum 40-year jail term.
Today Mrs Andriano bravely waives her legal right to anonymity to tell the full story about her horrific ordeal in Epstein’s ‘House of Sin’ in Palm Beach, Florida – when she was aged 14 to 17 – and her then friendship with Miss Roberts, who she says, recruited her into Epstein and 60-year-old Maxwell’s sexual abuse ‘pyramid scheme’.*** In her interview with the Mail, Mrs Andriona says she believes what Miss Roberts told her in 2001 – ten years before the teen sex accuser first told her story in a Sunday newspaper.
Mrs Andriona said: ‘I asked her if she’d been to the palace. And she said “I got to sleep with him”. I said “What? You’re f****** with me” and she said “no, I got to sleep with him”. She didn’t seem upset about it. She thought it was pretty cool.’
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Carolyn Andriano was resentfully cleaning her bedroom, listening to music and squabbling with her mother – being a typical 14-year-old, in fact – when the text came through. It was from her friend Virginia, thousands of miles away in London.
‘You’ll never guess who I’m with…’ it read. Carolyn knew this was going to be a juicy bit of gossip and was quick to respond. ‘Who?’ she replied eagerly.
A text pinged back immediately.
‘She said, “I’m in London with Jeffrey and Maxwell and Prince Andrew”,’ Carolyn recalls. ‘She said they were going to have dinner. I kind of didn’t believe her, but I had no reason not to. I thought it was far-fetched but, then again, she knew wealthy people and had been to fancy parties and stuff like that.
‘I said, “bulls**t”. I was calling her out on it, but she swore [it was true]. She said she was going to see if she could get a picture.’
Of course, the ‘Jeffrey and Maxwell’ the text referred to were disgraced financier and sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, who killed himself in prison in 2019, and his then girlfriend Ghislaine Maxwell, who was convicted of child trafficking and sex abuse charges in New York last month.
Carolyn and Virginia – then Roberts, now Giuffre – were members of the depraved couple’s harem of vulnerable teens and young women, recruited by Maxwell to provide sexual favours for Epstein. Carolyn was a key prosecution witness at Maxwell’s trial.
Back in 2001, for the two young girls, it all felt like a dangerous – and lucrative – game. A week after the text exchange, true to her word, 17-year-old Virginia came back from the UK and picked up Carolyn from school, keen to tell all. ‘I said, “so where’s your picture, Miss Princess?” ’ Carolyn said. A photograph was duly produced.
The image – Carolyn feels like it was on a mobile phone, although camera phones weren’t universally available in 2001 and memories fade, so it might have been a digital or disposable snap – is one most people will be familiar with.
It shows Virginia grinning, with Prince Andrew at her side, his hand around her waist, and Ghislaine looking on proudly in the background.
Carolyn was duly impressed. But there was more. Much more.
Carolyn was full of questions: ‘I asked her if she’d been to the Palace. And she said, “I got to sleep with him”. I said, “What? You’re f****** with me”, and she said “no, I got to sleep with him”. She didn’t seem upset about it. She thought it was pretty cool.’
This is the first time there has been a contemporaneous and independent account of Virginia’s purported recollection of her meeting with the Duke of York that night in March 2001, which he strenuously denies ever happened. Andrew is currently waiting to hear whether a US judge will throw out Mrs Giuffre’s civil sex assault against him.
‘Virginia just couldn’t believe it. Maxwell had told her she had a surprise for her and I guess the surprise was Prince Andrew. She was excited. I guess when you’re meeting somebody that famous, I would have been excited too.
‘She said they had dinner and they had sex. She didn’t say anything about what they ate or where they were – that’s not what we were talking about. It was just that she couldn’t believe she got to sleep with Prince Andrew.
‘I kept saying, “are you serious?” And she said “yeah”. I asked if she got paid to do it and she never gave me an answer.’Curiously, however, when it comes to what allegedly happened between Virginia and Prince Andrew, she has little sympathy for her former friend. ‘I don’t think she [Virginia] deserves any compensation. I don’t think she was coerced into doing anything.’
Although she believed her friend’s account at the time, Carolyn adds: ‘I don’t think Virginia deserves anything less than what Maxwell is getting because she trafficked me into a world of spiralling downward slopes and it has taken my husband John 12 long years to get me to love myself again.’
A vulnerable child with a troubled past and chaotic homelife, Carolyn was just 13 when she met Virginia Roberts. She’d dropped out of school and moved to Florida from New York.
Her mother was an alcoholic and a drug addict, and she’d been abused by her grandmother’s partner when she was four.
With a mother who pretty much ‘let her do what she wanted’, Carolyn started dating a 17-year-old called Shawn – who was friends with Virginia’s boyfriend, Tony – when she was 13.
She remembers Virginia as ‘bubbly and friendly’. ‘She had a way of making me feel comfortable and I trusted her. We became friends and right away I thought she would have my best interests, no matter what, at heart. She knew how old I was, and she knew I came from a broken home.’
Virginia would pick Carolyn up from school and the four of them used to ‘hang out and smoke pot’. ‘I felt pretty damned good about it because everybody else had to walk home or their mum or dad came to pick them up. But I had a pretty friend, who was older, with a car. I thought I was pretty cool for being her friend.’
Carolyn described to the court how Virginia had asked her if she’d like to ‘go and make some money’. All she had to do was go to a friend’s house in Palm Beach and give him a massage. The ‘friend’ was Jeffrey Epstein, and his house was the beachside mansion, where girls were regularly enticed to tend to his insatiable needs.
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It doesn’t matter if Virginia wasn’t upset or thought it was cool. She was in no position to truly consent.
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“And she will keep coming back to life, over and over again, because beneath the skin of this gentle human lives a warrior unstoppable.” - Annabelle M. Ramos
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Maria
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It is simply a discussion we cannot moderate so please stop here. We will just have to see what happens.
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There will be enough public debate if he should continue living rent-free in 30 room and exclusive Royal Lodge as he no longer works for the firm.
He paid the lease for 75 years and then extended it to 99 years upfront - so he isn't living there 'rent-free' as he has paid that 'rent' in advance for the best part of a century (as has Edward at Bagshot). He also paid for all the refurbishment of Royal Lodge before he moved in himself. He has thus spent millions on Royal Lodge to ensure it is the home for his daughters for the rest of their lives. |
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Maria - may I ask that there be a separate thread for Andrew's legal case so that this thread is kept for news, especially of the girls?
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I second that request. I am interested in what the daughters are doing, particularly now that they both have babies, and I hate to have to wade through all the sordid Andrew stuff first. When I even hear his name, I feel like I want to go jump into the shower. Yuck!
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@Luvcharles: does this mean he has to bow to his daughters  ?? Or does this open a way for them to stop using their titles? Don't mean to call you out but you are the expert and I always look forward to reading your contributions here!! |
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Maria - may I ask that there be a separate thread for Andrew's legal case so that this thread is kept for news, especially of the girls?
LuvCharles and bumbershoot: check under Non-Royal Stuff, General Discussions. There’s a topic for Prince Andrew and his legal case already started. Maybe it needs to be moved so more people who want to comment and follow will know where it is. |
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I saw on a response to a Twitter post that Andy should move to Dubai and keep ex-king JC company. Perhaps exile might be a good thing for him.
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