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« Reply #45 on: January 11, 2012, 05:50:33 AM »

It's known Queen wasn't happy with her film reaction in The Queen movie and no name blonde chatted in her lux.sleepwear promo's article how Queen has no TV in her bedroom, but they have private sitting rooms and TV here, Queen has some scary Scooby Doo on the wall in her Sandringham bedroom and it was her the worst scary night in her life to spend in that room, they're woken up at 7am by a maid who withdraw the curtains but she and Queen hate to be woken up by voice than being shaken but they can't touch them.

Who is this 'no name blonde' you have mentioned a lot, and why was she having a sleepover with QEII?
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« Reply #46 on: January 11, 2012, 10:40:23 AM »

Haha, now I have coffee up my nose. GOsh, that actually hurts. And it doesn't even push the caffeine faster into my brain......
Seriously now I will have to go thru my day with visions of Vicky Pollard having a sleep-over with the Queen: "yesnosyesnobutoh" Clown
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« Reply #47 on: January 11, 2012, 10:55:14 AM »

Fairy, exactly what I've been thinking!    Star Matt Lucas Vicky Pollard posts here!  Jumping Beer
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« Reply #48 on: January 11, 2012, 09:17:45 PM »

Vicky Pollard, for the win!



She's besties with QEII, doncha know? Beer
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« Reply #49 on: January 11, 2012, 09:56:02 PM »

Vicky Pollard, for the win!



She's besties with QEII, doncha know? Beer

The "no name blonde" I presume? Yikes
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« Reply #50 on: January 12, 2012, 03:13:01 PM »

Yes absolutely. And to think we all credited Matt Lucas with inventing  this character when in reality he simply took inspiration of that dear friend of the Queen...
Anyway to quote Vicky:
"Anyway don't listen to her coz everyone knows her fanny goes sideways"
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« Reply #51 on: January 13, 2012, 06:30:26 AM »

Queen  Mother also hosted Ribbetrop and majority of London society. Duke of Windsor was brainwashed by his wife, but the movie with great costumes is out in February. I can't wait.

Queen Mother aka "Cookie" was no angel.

Lots of people in the 1930's hosted Nazi leaders, did business with them. The House of Windsor had relatives who were very committed to Nazism, for crying out loud.  Crap They even seemed not to make much effort to stand up for their innocent relatives who were scapegoated by their own prime minister, but may have been bound by their positions in that case.

It's all quite intricate and complicated.

You have to also remember that back then, before the war, Hitler wasn't seen as this evil monster as he was today.  I have some magazines from the 1930's.  They are old "Fortune Magazines" that I collected for the art deco covers.  I was shocked to find in them advertisements for travel to Germany, with little swastika flags in the advert. . . . with some people relaxing on the beach. There was also an article on Hitler as "The Great Thinker and Innovator of Germany."  Times were very different, and anti-semitism was acceptable back then (sad to say), as well as racism Angry.  Many companies in the UNITED STATES were very anti-semetic, and allowed to get away with it, the most notorious was Henry Ford.  I am glad to say that times have certainly changed for the better.  Unfortunately, there were very few people that saw how evil Hitler truly was, or they simply closed their eyes to it.  I have to commend Charlie Chaplin for the film "The Great Dictator" as he understood, better than most, what racism and pure hatred can do.  He opened that film even though many urged him not to. 

BTW, who is going to see Madonna's film on Wallis and Edward?  Madonna was interviewed about her perspective on Wallis and Edward being Nazi sympathizers, and she doesn't believe it.  She claims that many poeple who were heads of state met with Hitler, regardless of their stance on Nazism.  
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« Reply #52 on: January 13, 2012, 06:49:46 AM »

Queen  Mother also hosted Ribbetrop and majority of London society. Duke of Windsor was brainwashed by his wife, but the movie with great costumes is out in February. I can't wait.



Queen Mother aka "Cookie" was no angel.

Lots of people in the 1930's hosted Nazi leaders, did business with them. The House of Windsor had relatives who were very committed to Nazism, for crying out loud.  Crap They even seemed not to make much effort to stand up for their innocent relatives who were scapegoated by their own prime minister, but may have been bound by their positions in that case.

It's all quite intricate and complicated.

You have to also remember that back then, before the war, Hitler wasn't seen as this evil monster as he was today.  I have some magazines from the 1930's.  They are old "Fortune Magazines" that I collected for the art deco covers.  I was shocked to find in them advertisements for travel to Germany, with little swastika flags in the advert. . . . with some people relaxing on the beach. There was also an article on Hitler as "The Great Thinker and Innovator of Germany."  Times were very different, and anti-semitism was acceptable back then (sad to say), as well as racism Angry.  Many companies in the UNITED STATES were very anti-semetic, and allowed to get away with it, the most notorious was Henry Ford.  I am glad to say that times have certainly changed for the better.  Unfortunately, there were very few people that saw how evil Hitler truly was, or they simply closed their eyes to it.  I have to commend Charlie Chaplin for the film "The Great Dictator" as he understood, better than most, what racism and pure hatred can do.  He opened that film even though many urged him not to. 

BTW, who is going to see Madonna's film on Wallis and Edward?  Madonna was interviewed about her perspective on Wallis and Edward being Nazi sympathizers, and she doesn't believe it.  She claims that many poeple who were heads of state met with Hitler, regardless of their stance on Nazism. 

Dont forget IBM was totally involved and made the census cards  with their punch card technology so that the Nazis knew where all the Jews were living, the number of them and at which address. All this can be found in the comprehensive book by Edwin Black, IBM and the Holocaust.
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« Reply #53 on: January 13, 2012, 06:52:54 AM »

Queen  Mother also hosted Ribbetrop and majority of London society. Duke of Windsor was brainwashed by his wife, but the movie with great costumes is out in February. I can't wait.



Queen Mother aka "Cookie" was no angel.

Lots of people in the 1930's hosted Nazi leaders, did business with them. The House of Windsor had relatives who were very committed to Nazism, for crying out loud.  Crap They even seemed not to make much effort to stand up for their innocent relatives who were scapegoated by their own prime minister, but may have been bound by their positions in that case.

It's all quite intricate and complicated.

You have to also remember that back then, before the war, Hitler wasn't seen as this evil monster as he was today.  I have some magazines from the 1930's.  They are old "Fortune Magazines" that I collected for the art deco covers.  I was shocked to find in them advertisements for travel to Germany, with little swastika flags in the advert. . . . with some people relaxing on the beach. There was also an article on Hitler as "The Great Thinker and Innovator of Germany."  Times were very different, and anti-semitism was acceptable back then (sad to say), as well as racism Angry.  Many companies in the UNITED STATES were very anti-semetic, and allowed to get away with it, the most notorious was Henry Ford.  I am glad to say that times have certainly changed for the better.  Unfortunately, there were very few people that saw how evil Hitler truly was, or they simply closed their eyes to it.  I have to commend Charlie Chaplin for the film "The Great Dictator" as he understood, better than most, what racism and pure hatred can do.  He opened that film even though many urged him not to. 

BTW, who is going to see Madonna's film on Wallis and Edward?  Madonna was interviewed about her perspective on Wallis and Edward being Nazi sympathizers, and she doesn't believe it.  She claims that many poeple who were heads of state met with Hitler, regardless of their stance on Nazism. 

Dont forget IBM was totally involved and made the census cards  with their punch card technology so that the Nazis knew where all the Jews were living, the number of them and at which address. All this can be found in the comprehensive book by Edwin Black, IBM and the Holocaust.

Henry Ford was extremely vocal about his anti-semetism, while others were more "sneaky" about it. 
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« Reply #54 on: January 13, 2012, 06:55:21 AM »

There was a program on TV called Nazi London, which explores Nazi links in London. Many of the links involved Members of Parliament, and you can even see the German ambassador's funeral. The embassy used to be on the Mall, and his swastika-draped coffin was carried along the Mall, and he even got a gun salute in Hyde Park. You can see the funeral here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyeD7lv6xpk

But Edward VIII was a special problem. He was a Nazi-sympathizing King at a time when it was becoming increasingly clear that the UK would be drawn into a war with them. He was careless with state papers and may have passed some of these secrets onto Nazi friends. A documentary on Youtube called The Traitor King explores this in much more detail. Even later, in the 1960s, Edward told a friend that he "never thought Hitler had been such a bad chap."

While there was quite a bit of Nazi sympathy in the UK, you simply couldn't have that in a King, much less a King as bad at "Kinging" as Edward was. His "not a bad chap" statement shows, at the very least, his complete ignorance of the horrors that had happened. He would have been a disaster had he stayed on the throne.
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« Reply #55 on: January 13, 2012, 08:20:46 AM »

I am very concerned about all this subtle revisionism and diminishing of the vileness of Wallis Simpson's pro-Nazi activities.

Calling: anti-Semitic intentions, masquerading as defending the vile Madonna.

This is not free speech; this is ongoing Nazism. 
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« Reply #56 on: January 13, 2012, 08:22:21 AM »

I am very concerned about all this subtle revisionism and diminishing of the vileness of Wallis Simpson's pro-Nazi activities.

Calling: anti-Semitic intentions, masquerading as defending the vile Madonna.

This is not free speech; this is ongoing Nazism. 

All that filler in her face is seeping into Madonna's brain.  How a smart woman can defend Wallis' Nazi leanings... BEYOND ME.
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« Reply #57 on: January 13, 2012, 10:57:15 AM »

There was a program on TV called Nazi London, which explores Nazi links in London. Many of the links involved Members of Parliament, and you can even see the German ambassador's funeral. The embassy used to be on the Mall, and his swastika-draped coffin was carried along the Mall, and he even got a gun salute in Hyde Park. You can see the funeral here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyeD7lv6xpk

But Edward VIII was a special problem. He was a Nazi-sympathizing King at a time when it was becoming increasingly clear that the UK would be drawn into a war with them. He was careless with state papers and may have passed some of these secrets onto Nazi friends. A documentary on Youtube called The Traitor King explores this in much more detail. Even later, in the 1960s, Edward told a friend that he "never thought Hitler had been such a bad chap."

While there was quite a bit of Nazi sympathy in the UK, you simply couldn't have that in a King, much less a King as bad at "Kinging" as Edward was. His "not a bad chap" statement shows, at the very least, his complete ignorance of the horrors that had happened. He would have been a disaster had he stayed on the throne.

Very true, and to people who perhaps thought I may be defending those that had been dismissive of Hitler, no one back then realized (before the war), what he and his Nazi regime could be capable of.  It was only after the war, and the true horrors of the Holocaust (which brings a tear to my eye as I write this), that it was understood how evil the Nazis truly were.  There were some people that knew what was going on with the ghettos and the persecution of the Jews, but the mass murder was not leaked out to the public until after the war, when the camps were liberated.  Not even the Jews themselves, who were sent to the death camps knew what was in store for them until the very end.  The American government knew, and the British did as well through those that escaped and arial surveillance of places like Auschwitz, but the general public did not.  Unfortunately, times were very different back then, and racism and anti-semitism were accepted as the norm.  It's wrong, and sad to say, but that's the way it was, and I hope that we've learned something from that going forward as a species.  I'm Jewish, so it's not something I take very lightly, and  I have studied the Holocaust and anti-semitism in depth.      

That being said, I do understand why people ae totally disgusted with the fact that many were dismissive of Hitler before the war.  I also understand the disgust with Wallis and Edward, and I'm definitely not a fan of them.  I do like the Queen Mother, and I do not believe she was an anti-semite, as she did have a Jewish governess as a child, and her son-in-law, Lord Snowdon, had a Jewish mother.  The Queen herself is the patron of the "Council of Christians and Jews" which fights anti-semitism.

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« Reply #58 on: January 13, 2012, 11:31:54 AM »

I think Madonna lives in another world: one where all she says is simply the truth and all who disagree with her are simply wrong. While it mostly doesn't matter, in this case it obviously does here. Ignoring or making nazism a smaller problem than it is, is IMO only supporting it and that's quite depressing and also disturbing. Nazism is more than just anti-semitism. Before WW2 you could argue that people didn't know better; but now we do. Wallis wasn't with Mr. Nobody - she was with the King of England. Edward had been the king, his brother was the king. Of England. Yet they supported a man, a regime who's quest for power swept through Europe like the plague and ended up trying to destroy England. Did they retract what they said? Did they ever apologize? Not just to the Jews, the Romas, the homosexuals, the socialists or the German democrats who were killed, but also the Austrians, the people of Czechoslovakia or all the rest of the countries in Europe who suffered during the war? Their thoughts and the things they said clearly shows what sort of people they were IMO, and that can't be excused in anyway. They deserve their shame.
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« Reply #59 on: January 13, 2012, 11:44:42 AM »

I will leave Royal Dish if the Wallis Simpson fans proliferate here. I don't want to hang around with anti-Semites and Nazi sympathisers online thanks!

I find it chilling that real-life Royal Dish members - people who live in the real world, not in a bubble, and have access to factual historical information -  are fans of Wallis Simpson. You might as well do the Nazi salute and goose-step across Belsen. If you are a Wallis Simpson fan or apologist, you - and Madonna -  are as barren and birdless as any of the death camps. If you are a Wallis Simpson fan or apologist, you might as well have shovelled coal into the ovens yourself. If you are a Wallis Simpson fan, or apologist, you might as well be spending right now pulling gold from dead Jews' teeth. If you are a Wallis Simpson fan, or an apologist, you might as well join a neo-fascist organisation and make plans to obliterate people of another colour or religion  - or political persuasion.
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